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'Bendis' recounts Jessica's story and her fall from grace as a superhero, and how she turned down the Avengers' offer to join them.

Jessica ends up taking him on his offer and becomes a member of the Avengers. One day she hears Scarlet Witch talking to someone while alone and tells Cap about it.

Date: 2017-02-01 09:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rainspirit

I can't quite put my finger on it...

Date: 2017-02-01 09:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
This whole What If? seemed sexist. I don't know what particular aspect bothers me, maybe it's that the Jessica's happy ending revolves around getting married to a tall muscular male, maybe it's that Wanda's insanity has always seemed based on a fear of powerful women than the dangerous of magic, but there's something there.

Re: I can't quite put my finger on it...

Date: 2017-02-02 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Well, considering it had more time to develop and grow, no. It was not.

Re: I can't quite put my finger on it...

Date: 2017-02-02 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehood
That implies that Luke Cage isn't attractive and i'm going to have to disagree on that.

Re: I can't quite put my finger on it...

Date: 2017-02-02 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Have you seen how Luke cage makes anything he wears automatically 10% better?
Now seriously. Yes. A happy ENDING, with nothing of the middle stuff.
I mean, bendis made like 3 Jessica Jones series before she married Luke.

Re: I can't quite put my finger on it...

Date: 2017-02-02 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
there is probably more than the scans show, but from the images alon, the issue at hand is that the story implies Jessica is better of because she married Steve Rogers. and it IS a common trope that a woman's "happy ending" is when they get "their man".
Now, tropes in and of themselves are not the problem, but the execution.
The execution between Jessica and Luke is really good and it doesn't treat the marriage as "jessica got her happy ending", only another step in her life.
This one is... okay. nothing too bad and she and Steve do look nice together, but why was it necessary?
Edited Date: 2017-02-02 04:27 am (UTC)

Re: I can't quite put my finger on it...

Date: 2017-02-02 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
no, she was better before she married Cap

Re: I can't quite put my finger on it...

Date: 2017-02-02 01:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Yeah, I thought it was ultimately "better off because she accepted the offer to join the Avengers."

Re: I can't quite put my finger on it...

Date: 2017-02-02 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
which of course led to the marrying Cap

Re: I can't quite put my finger on it...

Date: 2017-02-02 09:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] viridian5
It feels judge-y to me, no matter that Bendis says not to judge her after he infodumps about it. The "pile of men" thing for instance. So the What If feels like it's her with real heroes and getting properly married to an American icon, the "right" things to do....

Date: 2017-02-01 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Little does Bendis know that Jessica, who's been listening to all of this, is casually picking up one of the stools there and is preparing to beat him up for sharing his fanfic ideas about her with the world.
(Sorry, but Jess really does look like she's heard everything and is rolling her eyes / about to start something.)

-"she's always had difficulty controlling her reality powers"-
No she hasn't. And you constantly repeating it won't make it true.

(Hold up... John Barber was assistant editor? THE John Barber? Or is it some other, lesser John Barber?)

Date: 2017-02-01 10:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
This is just... awkward. The framing device is laboured and given the events he's describing, "Bendis" constant grinning and smug expression is really, really offputting.

Plus hammering home the "Wanda was always mentally unstable" thing when he's the one who is repsonsible for the major case of that happening (and associated retcons) just feel gratuitous. (Yes, I know Wanda had a breakdown under Byrne when he retconned away their children, but she had recovered from that and got on with her life.)

Date: 2017-02-01 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
that's apparently Bendis thing when doing what if?s He did the same with the What If Karen Page had lved book

Date: 2017-02-01 11:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Nope, still don't buy it. That's the Watcher. Bald, nosy, prone to monologuing and shipping random superhumans. :)

Date: 2017-02-01 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
If Uatu occasionally went down to Earth to tell everyone about his ship-fics whether they wanted to hear it or not, then I'm kind of glad Nick Fury shot him.

Date: 2017-02-01 11:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
We all know the most romantic kisses are the ones with open eyes.

Date: 2017-02-02 12:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katefan
So what BMB is saying is his pet retconned character could have solved all the problems he created when he retconned Wanda into a mentally unbalanced woman.

Somebody please explain to me again the appeal of his writing? Because I honestly don't get it.

Date: 2017-02-02 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] super_fly
And isn't the reason she exists in the first place because Bendis wanted to use Jessica Drew in the series but that didn't pan out?

Date: 2017-02-02 01:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Well, naturally. After all, one of Jessica's powers is miraculously solving all personal issues. That's why she's such a happy, well-adjusted character with a Norman Rockwell-esque home life.

Date: 2017-02-02 02:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
Michael Gaydos drawing Norman Rockwell riffs.

That would work.

Date: 2017-02-02 03:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
Honestly, I could have done with "Jessica who has struggled with major depression helps Wanda who has the same problem" but here it's more like "she happened to overhear Wanda being crazy and reported her at once".

Date: 2017-02-02 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I mean, the joke is basically "This is a What-if Where Jessica gets everything she wants and everything turns out OK". Pretty on-the-nose, but at least it's a bit different than the "Everything goes to crap" What-ifs?

Date: 2017-02-02 01:36 pm (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
aka 616, in her case.


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