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Unworthy Thor #4 is a bit of a jam issue, with art by Jason Aaron''s stalwarts Frazier Irving (Kid Thor), Olivier Coipel (Modern Thor), Russell Dauterman (Unworthy Thor) and Esad Ribic (Worthy Thor).

It's a bloody gorgeous book that develops a bit more of character and mythology while the story (Unworthy Thor, trapped on along with Asgard by the Collector fights to get Ultimate Thor's hammer before Proxima Midnight and Black Swan can claim it for Thanos) crawls along at a glacial pace. We're still no closer to finding out why Thor is Unworthy (a mystery dating back to August 2014), but it's still quite lush. I'm hoping to goodness that we'll find out when Unworthy Thor wraps up with the next issue.

Outside of Hicktastic Four, has there been a recent long Marvel run as consistently good as Jason Aaron's God of Thunder/Thor/Thors/Mighty Thor/Unworthy Thor?

Date: 2017-02-08 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
-"Or maybe you're all just aliens who live a really long time"-
No, Jane. They're Gods. Capital G and everything.
This ain't Star Trek, fer crying out loud.

-"Has there been a long Marvel run as consistently good"-
Ultimate Spider-Man (pre-Death of Spider-Man. Counting Miles' stuff as separate and ain't no-one can stop me!). Jack'n'Stan on Fantastic Four. Brubaker's Captain America. Mike Carey's X-Men Legacy. Simonson's Thor.
Not necessarily ranked by quality.

Date: 2017-02-08 10:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
Well, Marvel plays back and forth with the question of "Are they really Gods or just really advanced beings who buy their own hype?"

I mean, in a world where you have Greek, Norse, and every other pantheon around there's bound to be some wiggle room for interpretation. ALL the creation myths can't be true, they'd conflict. But there's all the Pantheons, they even get together to have meetings on current events!

So yeah, Marvel religion is weird.

Date: 2017-02-08 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
They're definitely gods by pagan standards, but then again, so would a lot of people in the MU be.

Date: 2017-02-09 07:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
I always thought that, the One above all was THE God and Thor, Zeus and the rest were just Immortal super people

Date: 2017-02-09 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
I always thought of "God" in Marvel not as a species but an ecological niche.

Date: 2017-02-09 10:47 am (UTC)
malitia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] malitia
Currently gods are trope based life forms (with occasionally something else underneath it but that's not necessary) "living-myth-and-metaphor", and The-One-Above-All is God as in "not-expicitly-stated-but-heavily-implied-to-be-the-Author/Editorial".

Date: 2017-02-09 11:08 pm (UTC)
quatoria: An extreme close-up of my eye, with the blade of a knife just barely touching the bottom edge of my pupil. (Default)
From: [personal profile] quatoria
I mean, considering the transformation Loki made, from God of Evil to God of Stories... it speaks pretty strongly to their mythological natures. At least, for Loki's pantheon. (avoiding gendered terms when referring to Loki, for what should be obvious reasons)

Date: 2017-02-09 06:17 pm (UTC)
malitia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] malitia
Bor had two conflicting but plot relevant stories about his death. From which I conclude gods are very resistant to paradoxes.

Date: 2017-02-09 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
I figure places like Åsgård and Olympus are pocket universes with their own timelines which are parasitic on ours. So once Åsgård has attached itself to our universe, at around the location of earth, the timelines overlap. Which does not mean that they contain the same events.

Odin did create Man. In their timeline. Which may now overlap with ours far enough back to be an accessible event in our timeline. However, since time is not singular at this point, going further back there would still be people. That actually seems like a likely divergence point.

Date: 2017-02-10 01:37 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Sounds good. Figure the Asgardverse's Midgard merged with the prime Earth universe. The mortals didn't notice, but their origin is and is not dependent on Odin. Schrodinger's Earth. The divergence point having been a Crisis type implosion of merging Earths and why the various pantheons have meetings to avoid god wars.

Date: 2017-02-10 08:03 am (UTC)
malitia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] malitia
Actually Loki's explanation makes the most sense, if you can stomach that level of meta:

- Gods are their story*. (They can be other stuff too, but that's not from being a god.)
- All stories are equally true. (Fiction Identity Postulate, in our world it means "are equally made up" but our world doesn't have trope based life forms running around.)
- So all gods are equally true, and all myths equally happened... if this means the MU has multiple choice past then that's what it has.
- Given that actual events can become the foundation of stories, which in turn happen because the previous point, the whole thing is a totally circular self reinforcing feedback loop.

And now obligatory Principia Dtscordia quote:

"Greater Poop: Is Eris true?
Malaclypse the Younger: Everything is true.
GP: Even false things?
M2: Even false things are true.
GP: How can that be?
M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it."

* That seems to be pretty much fact in the Marvel universe as Loki wrote/rewrote/retold several gods in recent years. Not to mention new ones appear in every 5 years or so based on more modern thoughts and fears (even if they didn't manage to stick yet).

Date: 2017-02-09 09:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lyricalswagger
I think the "alien" thing was canon in the Earth X serieses, too.

Aesir are possibly both depending on reality.

Date: 2017-02-09 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] 7dialsmystery
Earth -14412 Thor's granddaughters created a magical clay that contained the DNA of earth creatures and basically magically cloned hybrid eath creatures. Their grandpa took the last of this stuff and made 'Steve Rogers' & 'Jane Foster' copies to be new age Adam & Eve. So they're an all powerful alien race that took DNA from a bunch of dead species and repopulated the earth with magic clones.

Mod Note!

Date: 2017-02-08 11:09 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: Mod Squad icon (Mod Squad)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Cute though it is, that image is beyond the 400x300 maximum allowed above the cut, please either reduce it in size, or put it under the cut.

Re: Mod Note!

Date: 2017-02-09 12:46 am (UTC)
ext_3679: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
That GIF gets a mod note but [personal profile] lordultimus's giant previews don't warrant a warning?

Re: Mod Note!

Date: 2017-02-09 07:49 am (UTC)
icon_uk: Mod Squad icon (Mod Squad)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yes, it does.

The issue you cite is less to do with the images that are posted (which are within the rules), but the inability of certain browsers, or settings on certain browsers, to factor in resized images.
Edited Date: 2017-02-09 07:50 am (UTC)

Re: Mod Note!

Date: 2017-02-09 01:52 pm (UTC)
ext_3679: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Ahh, I see. [personal profile] lordultimus is specifying image height which for some reason is ignored by the Dreamwidth Reading page style. If I use Element Inspector to change it to a 400 pixel width instead of a 400 pixel height the image shrinks appropriately.

Along that note, the rules specify "you may have one preview image no larger than 400 x 300 pixels." Is that supposed to be read as "no larger than 400 pixels wide and 300 pixels tall" or "must fit inside a 400 pixel by 300 pixel box in either orientation"?

Re: Mod Note!

Date: 2017-02-09 02:00 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: Mod Squad icon (Mod Squad)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
An interesting distinction, and one that will be taken up with the Mod Team for consideration.

When the rules were put together, the range of mobile devices was not as great as it now, so the issue did not arise.

Re: Mod Note!

Date: 2017-02-11 09:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] viridian5
[personal profile] lordultimus' giant preview images on my Reading pages have been getting to me for a while now, so if there's some way to fix that I'd really appreciate it.
Edited (coding error) Date: 2017-02-11 09:22 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-08 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
I don't think I've ever seen a gal wrap a sheet around herself the next morning. Either she's free-boobing, all "he's seen everything, who gives a shit," or she's wearing a t-shirt because it's cold and that's what she sleeps in.

Just pointing out the narrative absurdity of the Modesty Bedsheet. :)

Date: 2017-02-08 11:33 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: Stripper in spartan outfit (!)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
I think it happens when you've already accidentally pulled the sheet out from the mattress. Then you have to run to answer the door. >_>

Date: 2017-02-09 01:23 am (UTC)
beyondthefringe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Now I want to see what a Thor-inspired oversized boyfriend-shirt would look like.

Date: 2017-02-09 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
well maybe she doesn't have a shirt handy and it's cold

Date: 2017-02-09 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
In American movies and TV shows it is apparently very common for people to get up after sex, put their underwear back on, then go to sleep.

Date: 2017-02-09 08:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
Given how her hair looks, I was assuming Jane was fresh from the tub and that's a towel.

Date: 2017-02-08 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Completely juvenile humor: try rereading while remembering Captain Hammer's immortal line, "the hammer is my penis."

Date: 2017-02-08 11:36 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: Stripper in spartan outfit (!)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Mythological fact: If you rub Thor's hammer, it gets bigger.

Date: 2017-02-09 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if (s)he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

Date: 2017-02-08 11:58 pm (UTC)
every_spiegel: (DOOM)
From: [personal profile] every_spiegel
What do you consider "recent"? Last year's New Avengers by Al Ewing and Vision by Tom King are considered to be very good.
Although I can't call The Mighty Thor by Aaron good, but I haven't read the other series.

Date: 2017-02-09 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Neither of them are what might be defined as "long", though.

(Though that depends on the definition of long being used, in New Avengers' case...)

Date: 2017-02-09 08:33 am (UTC)
kore: (WW punching Trump in the face)
From: [personal profile] kore
New Avengers was fantastic.

Date: 2017-02-09 12:02 am (UTC)
every_spiegel: (iron)
From: [personal profile] every_spiegel
Also, someone should steal all the pencils from Esad Ribic, leaving him only brushes!
Edited Date: 2017-02-09 12:02 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-09 01:27 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Stupid continuity question: Have Thor and Jane Foster ever had a relationship like this? I didn't think they ever went this "far" before that whole "Odin erased some of Jane's memory and sent her on her way."

Date: 2017-02-09 02:43 am (UTC)
pyynk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyynk
In Langridge and Samnee's Thor The Mighty Avenger maybe?

Date: 2017-02-09 04:14 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Outside of Hicktastic Four, has there been a recent long Marvel run as consistently good as Jason Aaron's God of Thunder/Thor/Thors/Mighty Thor/Unworthy Thor?-

Waid's Daredevil?

Date: 2017-02-09 07:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Outside of Hicktastic Four, has there been a recent long Marvel run as consistently good as Jason Aaron's God of Thunder/Thor/Thors/Mighty Thor/Unworthy Thor?

G Willow Wilson's Ms Marvel?

Date: 2017-02-09 10:33 am (UTC)
commodus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] commodus
Thor looks so ridiculous without a beard.

Date: 2017-02-09 10:58 am (UTC)
malitia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] malitia
"Outside of Hicktastic Four, has there been a recent long Marvel run as consistently good as Jason Aaron's God of Thunder/Thor/Thors/Mighty Thor/Unworthy Thor?"

Probably lots, but I nominate Gillen's Journey into Mystery. It also had the good sense to not dangle too many plotlines at once and wrap them up before they became annoying which is not a quality Aaron's Thor possesses.

Date: 2017-02-09 06:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Outside of Hicktastic Four, has there been a recent long Marvel run as consistently good as Jason Aaron's God of Thunder/Thor/Thors/Mighty Thor/Unworthy Thor?

If Hickman's FF is the bar, I'd say dozens if not more. Not a fan (though I did end up liking his Secret Wars book, after the endless boring run-ups to it in the Avengers titles).

Top recent storylines I'd hold up are Fraction's Hawkeye, Ewing's Mighty Avengers, Loki, and Ultimates, and probably Wilson's Ms. Marvel (not to my taste, but I think it's well aimed toward younger readers).


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