Date: 2017-02-18 09:38 pm (UTC)
cygnia: (Stabby)
From: [personal profile] cygnia
No, Emma, the only thing he deserves is his right hand...

Date: 2017-02-18 10:11 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Mandrill is a tricky villain, since his origin was his parents abandoned him in the desert because he was ugly and hairy. And he met up with Nekra, who was also abanoned for being ugly. That would mess anyone up. Plus he first used his phermone power so he and Nekra wouldn't starve.

If he's used the MCU, Jerome Beechum will probably be a normal looking man with a special cologne. Or do what The Flash TV series did and go "the full Grodd."

Date: 2017-02-18 10:49 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
its even more problematic than that: Mandrill was a black skinned kid born to white parents who eventually mutated into an ape like creature, and Nekra was a white girl born to black parents.

Ayup. This whole set up is a whole heaping helping of "The fuck were they thinking?"

Date: 2017-02-19 02:00 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Yes. But Nekra is an albino, not a white girl. At least, Nekra once said she was 'black', as in race, rather than skin tone. That time she was dating a racist.


Date: 2017-02-19 06:29 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
So, uh... Comics are weird?

Now I REALLY want the MCU to have Jerome Beechum and Nekra Sinclair so the problematic "Abandoned by respective parents because each had the wrong skin color for his and her race" origin can be Adapted Out.

And something something "The Full Grodd."

Date: 2017-02-19 04:15 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: Dear god, make everyone die. Amen. (makeeveryonedie)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Gnarll makes the point that Mandrill wouldn't be as bad if the Rapey Ape = Black stuff wasn't there downthread.

So Jerome is born to normal humans and he...looks like someone from Planet of the Apes? I say, make him an evil supergenius. There aren't enough in Marvel.

Nekra is a victim of intersectionality. She doesn't fit any particular group enough to be completely welcomed. This is why she ends up with hate-mongers. Its the only thing that feels normal to her...OHGOD NOW I'M GETTING FEELS FOR NEKRA GAAAH

Date: 2017-02-19 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
On the face of it, Mandrill could have been interesting. Born to white parents, mutation causing increased pigmentation and facial deformities, looks like he is black. Gets traded by society as if he is black, gets abandoned in the desert by parents.

But the ape thing is just.... and the roofie powers too, it is way way too far.

Date: 2017-03-15 03:30 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
There are waaay too many roofie powers in comics.

Date: 2017-02-19 01:16 am (UTC)
the_phantom: (Default)
From: [personal profile] the_phantom
Indeed the message is in the right place. But having Emma Frost (Someone on a supermodel level of attractiveness) telling Mandrill (Someone deformed since childhood) that people like him don't deserve to be loved by "A woman like her" may not be the best way to tell it.

Date: 2017-02-19 11:39 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman

Date: 2017-02-19 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Emma, look at his face. His face. Why do you think he calls himself Mandrill ?


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