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In the aftermath of 'The Clone Conspiracy' Otto manages to transfer his consciousness to the "prime" clone body and escape, leaving the decayed clone body behind to fake his death. Ben is forced to retreat to prevent his own degeneration.

As you may recall, Ben forced Miles Warren to work for him by cloning him and not telling him which one was the real one. With all the other clones dead, the real Miles Warren seeks out Ben for revenge.

Date: 2017-02-22 06:53 pm (UTC)
nyadnar17: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
So are we suppose to like this Ben Reilly? Because honestly he seems like kinda a huge asshole.

Date: 2017-02-22 07:05 pm (UTC)
draganoche: Dreams define Reality (Default)
From: [personal profile] draganoche
He was the antagonist for the event. I think he supposed to be more damaged from the torture that Jackel did to him than just an asshole.

Date: 2017-02-23 12:17 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
You'd be too if you were repeatedly killed and brought back.

Date: 2017-02-22 07:59 pm (UTC)
mizerous: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mizerous
Clearly a man who tried to become an ultimate life-form, play God with the dead, and hurt people is worthy of being a superhero again...

Marvel seriously?

Date: 2017-02-22 09:31 pm (UTC)
mizerous: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mizerous
...Damn it you're right. :/

Date: 2017-02-22 09:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Honest question: fans of Ben Reilly, what do you think of him now, and do you like or dislike the changes to his character?

Date: 2017-02-22 10:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rainspirit
He'll never be the Ben Reilly I grew up with again. I'm happy he's back and Marvel is trying to do interesting things with him, I just hope they don't pull a Cassandra Cain on him and turn their back on his history for the sake of a cardboard villain.

I wonder if he'll wind up with some of Kaine's supporting cast.

Date: 2017-02-23 12:16 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
I doubt they will use Kaine's supporting cast, his book is nowhere near Texas.

Date: 2017-02-22 11:15 pm (UTC)
yvonmukluk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] yvonmukluk
This isn't really Ben Reilly, though - the changes to his character (plus the whole 'he's technically Ben #27' thing) seems like way too big a departure.

I'll be honest, I read all the promotional stuff about how Slott & Lowe are such massive fans of the character and want to do him justice, and then look at the execution and...I just don't see it.

It seems like Slott (and arguably a lot of comics writers) don't understand that for cult favourites (like Ben & mayday) that their fans might actually prefer no further stories if the new ones go against what made those characters good in the first place.

Look at Mayday. Aside from two backups by the original creative team (that both were underlaid with subtext that the 'real' Spider-Girl was off in her own universe doing her own thing) that were pretty much just damage control on what Slott did to the character, she was relegated to a supporting role (that saw her literally written out of the book, even) in an ensemble which pretty much went nowhere. I mean, at the end of the day she got a new costume and a dead Dad (so original in superhero comics), and wound right back in limbo.

Ben had a good ending. This dumps all over it.

Better to die as good fiction than live as bad.

Man, I wish we'd gotten Yost's proposed Clone Saga sequel of a Jackal/Sinister War instead:

Date: 2017-02-23 12:14 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
It is Ben Reilly though, one that went through multiple deaths.

That Sinister War doesn't sound as interesting as the New U clones. Plus Warren himself isn't capable of being the big bad of an event.
Edited Date: 2017-02-23 12:21 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-23 08:27 am (UTC)
yvonmukluk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] yvonmukluk
Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

Having seen the New U clones plotline play out, I'm not sure how an event that features every single cloned character in the Marvel Universe would somehow be less interesting.

Date: 2017-02-26 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Really? Miles Warren is pretty much the king of cloning. It may make more sense than Tony Stark or Norman Osborn being the big bad of an event. Besides, who says Mister Sinister wouldn't be the big bad?

Date: 2017-02-23 09:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dragontail
I heartily agree with your comments and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Date: 2017-02-23 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Generally, any time a creator says they're a huge fan of a character...

Run and don't look back.

Nine times out of ten, they're going to do something awful to them.

Date: 2017-02-24 05:33 am (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Joss Whedon. Runaways.

Date: 2017-02-23 12:18 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
You know, Ben makes a better Jackal than Warren, especially in the costumed department.

Date: 2017-02-23 01:35 am (UTC)
mizerous: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mizerous
Agreed Miles looks horrible in that goofy Movie Goblin outfit.

Date: 2017-02-23 04:35 am (UTC)
beyondthefringe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
And I'm okay with him dying in this issue except we know he's not dead. Sigh.

Date: 2017-02-23 07:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Yeah, I just wish they could get some consistency on the Anubis mask. Nine times out of ten it's been drawn like something that should barely stay on his head.

Date: 2017-02-23 05:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dc2houseofmystery


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