Date: 2017-02-27 12:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Ummm... Rachel was already the host of the Phoenix Force at this point, she had been for a good long while before Inferno rolled around, so what's this waffle about summoning it?

Date: 2017-02-27 12:57 am (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
Not to mention early Excalibur made it a pretty explicit point that Rachel was multiversally unique (not that other What If's didn't also disregard this, mind).

Date: 2017-02-27 01:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
If it's a timeline divergence from a story she was already in, I'd expect her to be present.

Date: 2017-02-27 01:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zylly
I can see that. Otherwise going down that rabbit hole lies madness.

There's also a more considerable difference between the realities Excalibur traveled to and the average What If universe.

Date: 2017-02-27 01:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Oh indeed, the Cross Time Caper was visiting very different realities.

In Greuenwald's "Quasar" run, we also found out that the multiverse as the MU understands it is simply a narrow branch line of a vaster set of more diverse universes, the Omniverse.

So the New Universe, as an example, is not in the Multiverse, it's part of the Omniverse. It can be reached from the MU, but it's REALLY hard to do, and the Living Tribunal tends to frown upon such travel.

Date: 2017-02-27 01:18 am (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
I recall that issue. Pretty satisfactory explanation, overall.

Date: 2017-02-27 01:10 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Though only by retconning the principles of the Phoenix/Rachel bond.

Date: 2017-02-27 01:16 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Agreed, though that's setting the bar kinda low there.

Date: 2017-02-27 12:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zylly
Man, Lyja was really committed to the whole infiltration thing, wasn't she?

Yeah, I know, that hadn't been thought of yet, but hindsight makes it amusing.

Date: 2017-02-27 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
"Hey, Doctor Strange, uh... are babies meant to be green and scaly?"
"Why do you people keep asking me about babies? I keep telling you, I was a neurosurgeon."

Date: 2017-02-27 01:24 am (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
Poor Doctor Strange. He's the only doctor these people know so he has to do everything.

Date: 2017-02-27 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Oh, look! An alternate Rachel, despite Claremont trying to claim she was utterly unique in the multiverse.

Nice that she lives. Shame her utterly totally heterosexual lifepartner Kitty dies.
Because clearly, Rachel clearly hadn't suffered enough at that point.

And, uh, pretty human looking baby Alicia's delivering there.
Guess in this universe she wasn't replaced by Lyja after all.
(Gotta love them clumsy and blatant retcons.)
Edited Date: 2017-02-27 01:00 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-27 01:12 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
But this isn't a completely separate universe, this is "What if..?" world, a divergence from the an existing point of time of the universe she was already in.

If her presence preculded alternates, then that would mean you could never show a "What if..?" based on Earth 616 events.
Edited Date: 2017-02-27 01:13 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-27 05:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
I have had serious problems with this issue since the first time I saw it in a comic book shop as a kid, not least of which is because the point of deviation makes zero fucking sense.

It's like Danny Fingeroth didn't even read the "Inferno" crossover. He just had it summarized to him over the phone. Quickly. By a drunk guy.

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