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The four do well and defeat Immortus's forces. However, the Immortus wave sweeps through everything and resurrects his army, keeping the team fighting endlessly.

Just as the young Nathaniel Richards prepares Doom's time machine for the first time, it activates and summons an alternate Fantastic Four. Uatu informs the deputy secretary that this is not the version of the FF he suggested, which the deputy secretary responds by saying that it was his own decision to make, the chain of command must be maintained, and that this team is much more powerful. Uatu responds that he doesn't think this will work.

Nathaniel believes that the FF are trying to trick him and activates the armory, which kills the FF one by one. Meanwhile, Irondroid and Doctor Doom have died during the endless battle against the inhabitants of Limbo, and the last two are on their last legs.

Uatu says that the FF the TVA chose were too inexperienced, and now Nathaniel will be too suspicious of any more super powered freaks. Uatu knows that only one team can work now: Reed Richards' Rocket Group, who give the same spiel to Nathaniel. He still tries to use the robots to detain them, but Reed reveals that Uatu already told them about his destroying of the other FF, so they activated an energy field as soon as they appeared to disable them. Nathaniel is still suspicious, so they convince him to use a DNA analyzer to prove their story.

Date: 2017-03-06 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
You would expect... one of What If...?s only multi-part stories to be more interesting.
You would expect a story with a vampire Wolverine to be slightly less lifeless.
You would except a story where said vampire, Doctor Doom and Thor are fighting an endless battle against the hordes of Immortus to be cool.

But no, this whole thing was just slow, and pretty dull.
(Not to mention taking as long to get to the goddamn point as a Steven Moffat X-Mas special, with the point itself being a "yeah, so?" moment anyway.)
And those "jokes" about the T.V.A. being utterly useless in an actual crisis...

Actually, wondering if Roy Thomas wasn't just having a laugh with all this, given the tone of the issue...

Date: 2017-03-06 08:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
I'm pretty sure that the TVA folks are all modeled after one of the bullpen members of the time, that caricature looks familiar.

Man, Nathaniel Richards has one hell of a twisted continuity, doesn't he? As does Kang. I'm pretty sure Iron Lad wasn't Nathaniel Richards, right?

Date: 2017-03-06 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Nope, Iron Lad is/was/will be Iron Lad, who Kang saved from bullies to prevent a traumatic event from his/their past/future, but Nate was so horrified by his future self he vowed never to become him.
Then his own idiocy got Cassie Lang and Young Vision killed and he ran off to become Kang anyway.

Date: 2017-03-06 09:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] razsolo
The TVA guys are based on Mark Gruenwald from memory, on account of the guy being like a walking encyclopedia of Marvel history/minutiae :)

Date: 2017-03-07 12:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Yeah. So Roy Thomas, the master of continuity porn, having some fun with Mark Gruenwald, the master of knowing everything. :)


Date: 2017-03-06 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jgeils
That was Mark Gruenwald, who I think rose to the level of Executive Editor, just short of being the Editor-In-Chief. Walt Simonson introduced the TVA and Gruenwald's doppleganger during this run on the Fantastic Four around 1989-90. (I think that run helped Walt resolve some dangling plot threads from his earlier run writing for the Avengers.)

Jean-Marc Lofficier did say that Gruenwald tinkered with the plot for this storyline, as if that wasn't already evident. http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix5/timequake_event.htm

Re: Gruenwald

Date: 2017-03-07 01:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Not too much I'd bet, sine Mark Gruenwald would have striven to make this fun/exciting/comprehensive.

Re: Gruenwald

Date: 2017-03-07 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
In all likelihood, making this storyline exciting was probably beyond even his skills.

('less those skills including Necromancy, given how lifeless this thing is...)

Date: 2017-03-06 10:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Is there a story to go with the infodump? I got to the third page and all but lost the will to live.

Date: 2017-03-06 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
The characters keep talking.
Then they keep talking.

Something about an alternate version of the Fantastic Four trying to stop Nathaniel Richards becoming Immortus.
Then there's yet more talking. Something something Time Killers.

Then a thing about how great the Fantastic Four are which comes out of nowhere.
So... no, not really.

Date: 2017-03-07 02:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
If you think about it, a bureaucracy exercising poetic license makes a nicely reductive summation of continuity-minded storytellers.


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