Date: 2017-03-11 08:59 pm (UTC)
zylly: (Dr. Dinosaur Incognito)
From: [personal profile] zylly
I like this mini, though I think Adam has done better under Ewing. Parts of this mini veer a bit too much into "very special episode" territory.

Date: 2017-03-11 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
as an introduction to the character, i think this is a fine story. but, as it is often the case, it would be some other writer's use of the character what will codify him.

Date: 2017-03-11 09:11 pm (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Senator Kelly: always a dick.

Date: 2017-03-11 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
A war hero is out there saving lives but racists don't lIke him. We have to appease the racists!

At least with mutants Kelly kinda has as point ... though he's still a dick about it.

Date: 2017-03-12 01:43 pm (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
Which does weird things with the whole "sliding timeline" Marvel's got going. I mean, if the Avengers and FF and Spider-Man and X-Men and etc. all debuted "about 15 years ago," then that'd be early 2000s. Which means if Young!Robert Kelly here is in his early 30s in 1962, he'd be in his early 70s when he's a Senator running on an Anti-Mutant platform.

Date: 2017-03-11 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
I remember that, at some point, it was stated that Doctor Strange's origin was still set in the 60s and that he hasn't aged ( i think). tha tmeans he was contemporary to these events.
Just something curious.

Date: 2017-03-12 12:00 am (UTC)
bizarrohulk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bizarrohulk
"I've never seen anyone so ... so powerful".

Jesus wept.

Sentry was supposed to have the powers of the Silver Age Superman. His whole deal was that he was too powerful to exist in the Marvel Universe. And here is being worfed to push Kevin Grevioux's wish-fulfillment character. It's like fractal Marty Stuism.

Date: 2017-03-12 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
To be fair, Blue Marvel is also supposed to be a Superman expy.

Date: 2017-03-12 12:48 am (UTC)
lyricalswagger: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lyricalswagger
Sentry isn't talking about Adam Brashear, but about his arch-enemy, Conner Sims -- Anti-Man.

Conner is very powerful indeed, stronger than Sentry or Blue Marvel.

Calling Adam the writer's "wish-fulfillment character" leans pretty close to a personal insult against Grevioux, doesn't it?

Date: 2017-03-12 03:29 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Pff. Grevioux? This mini was written by a committee. Don't get me wrong, they had some NICE moments. But there is a "this has passed all the focus groups" packaging to it.

Especially what happened to his wife. Its a bit by the numbers typical superhero.

Date: 2017-03-13 04:24 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
No, it was written by Grevius and he has even stated Blue Marvel is one of his favorite creations.

Do you have proof to the contrary?

Date: 2017-03-13 04:25 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
I own the series. There are multiple writers listed.

Date: 2017-03-13 04:30 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
You are mistaken, there is just one and that's Grevioux. You're probably thinking about one of the anthology books Adam showed up in later.
Edited Date: 2017-03-15 06:49 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-03-13 04:29 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Except Sentry isn't talking about Blue Marvel, he's talking about Anti-Man.

And calling a character that can beat Sentry a Marty Stu seems rather hypocritical. Besides, Sentry had lost fights before this mini and after.

Date: 2017-03-13 03:44 pm (UTC)
bizarrohulk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bizarrohulk
I know who he's talking about. But Grevioux (not Grevius, as you've referred to him twice now) is having his character's arch-enemy - a character he also created - smack around an entire team of Avengers, including the Sentry, like they were 90s WCW jobbers to establish his badass credentials and by extension what a stud his pet character Blue Marvel is.

"And calling a character that can beat Sentry a Marty Stu seems rather hypocritical."

Hence my comment about "fractal Marty Stuism". If you're worfing a character who's already a borderline Stu himself in order to build up your own character...

Date: 2017-03-15 06:42 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Obviously you know i meant Grevioux, so you don't have to be rude about it. You'very fallen prey to auto correct to.

And you are still wrong, especially since whole teams of Avengers have lost to single villains before. A character losing isn't jobbing and just because yourfavorite character is losing doesn't make the other one a Marty Stu.

Again you ignore that Sentry was never undefeated, so him losing doesn't make it a worf. Honestly, people just use that and "jobbing" whenever their favorite character loses, even when it comes to the use of the word in the context of wrestling.

In fact, by the point of this mini, Sentry had already lost a couple of times. And it's not like Anti-Man beat up the Void or anything.

Edited Date: 2017-03-15 06:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-03-12 01:45 am (UTC)
chalicother: Chalicothere (Default)
From: [personal profile] chalicother
I would want a Blue Marvel series. Netflix me now, marvel

Date: 2017-03-12 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
They couldn't do it.
A guy fighting MAD SCIENCE, possibly occasionally assisted by his son?
How can you possibly squeeze any misery out of that?

Date: 2017-03-12 10:32 am (UTC)
bizarrohulk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bizarrohulk
The point of the Netflix shows is to allow Marvel to tell grittier and more grounded stories than they can in family-oriented movies or on network TV. Complaining about the "misery" in those shows is like complaining that Vertigo comics never featured stories about Superman fighting robot apes on the moon.

Date: 2017-03-12 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
That wasn't complaining. It's taunting.
Given those Netflix shows, while good, always seem to have everything turn to crap for the heroes all the time.

And also sarcasm, because Adam's son Kevin eventually gets blasted by a doohickey and stuck in another universe, as Doctor Skorpion's revenge on Adam, which turns his younger brother Max bitter and angry at Adam, even though there's nothing either can to do free Kevin. And during one of Connor Sim's rampages he kills Adam's wife by accident.
So yes, there is in fact misery a Netflix series could easily access.

Date: 2017-03-13 04:32 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Max mellowed out though and never really wanted to hurt his dad. He just wanted to save his brother and once he was aware just how difficult a task it was, he and Adam reconciled.

Date: 2017-03-12 03:37 am (UTC)
lamashtar: The Great Hal Jordan (awesome)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Bit of history: I picked this up Election Day. The first black man won and I was in so much shock I could not concentrate enough to read. Took a week before I could focus enough, and I had to laugh out loud at how deliberate this creation was.

Date: 2017-03-13 04:26 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
What are you even talking about?

Also, you realize the writer is black, right? He even said this was a character he wanted to create for years.

There's no conspiracy.

Date: 2017-03-13 04:46 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
And you think the decision to create a black Superman had nothing to do with Obama's election? I appreciated it, just as I enjoyed DC's version, but the timing wasn't accidental. Marvel is a for profit company and the series was intended to capitalize on the election. And I liked that.

Date: 2017-03-15 06:52 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
No, because Black people and Black super heroes existed well before Obama was president.

It's ridiculous to say that a new Black hero was introduced just because of who was president.

Date: 2017-03-12 07:53 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Frankly it's kinda weird he waited so long to publicly come back. Even with racism and him doing a lot undercover, Adam's a Superman-class hero.

Date: 2017-03-12 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Well, he did have a family by the 70s.
Having three kids cuts into your time.
(And then there was what went down with Kevin...)

Date: 2017-03-12 12:37 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
True, good point!

Date: 2017-03-12 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
He was doing off panel science adventurer stuff with his son Kevin.

They were working together as a father-son duo up until Galactus' first visit to Earth.

Date: 2017-03-13 04:33 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
He was still active, but a Scientist explorer rather than a super hero.

Honestly, that in of itself would be a great premise for a book.

Date: 2017-03-13 12:20 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
Marvel really needs to make a The Doctors Brashear series, written by Al Ewing. I would read the HELL out of that. There's a sequence in his Mighty Avengers where they focused on that and I couldn't help but think 'why isn't this a thing?'


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