Date: 2017-03-13 11:04 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
ack! is this the end?

Date: 2017-03-13 11:04 pm (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
Those seem... rather dubious legal arguments.

It's also worth noting that this is far from the original ending planned:

Date: 2017-03-13 11:20 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: "It's just like Hitlers!" (Hitler)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Yeah. Just Magneto? He gets chosen by the humans to represent mutant species? Or every mutant is considered a separate sovereign state? Are they invading when they enter other countries?

Still, you heard a lot of noise about "citizens of the world" a few years back, despite the fact that it had zero legal basis. Certainly nobody ever volunteered to pay extra taxes to "the world" or permit "the world" a say in how local politics was decided.

Interesting to see DeFalco's take on this. He always goes for human complexity.

Date: 2017-03-13 11:24 pm (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
Yeah. Stern is an excellent writer, but his views on Magneto seem a bit incompatible with the narrative Marvel was going for at the time.

Of course, I'd also be interested in knowing how much influence Claremont had on all of this. Given that he was the X-Men writer, it seems odd to put the fate of one of his major characters in the hands of other writers.

Date: 2017-03-13 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
-It seems odd to put the fate of one of his major characters in the hands of other writers-
Which might have been why it was written by someone else in the first place.

(The guy was on X-Men for seventeen years. Maybe someone at Marvel felt someone else deserved a chance to write them for once.)

Date: 2017-03-13 11:56 pm (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
Not unreasonable in and of itself, but given how important Magneto was to the X-Men (and especially the New Mutants) at this point in time, still an odd choice.

Date: 2017-03-14 04:57 am (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Not just Stern..Simonson and Harras seemed to be massively against his redemption too.

Which is silly. Claremonts story for Magneto was amazing.

Date: 2017-03-14 11:49 pm (UTC)
zechs80: (Mayuri)
From: [personal profile] zechs80
Also Bryne. Bryne too did not like Magneto being redeemed. I think Simonson and him did a short story featuring Dr. Doom and him shortly after this right in X-Factor Annual right?

Date: 2017-03-14 11:53 pm (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Does Byrne like anything he or Kirby didn't write or draw though? Honestly I really didn't enjoy X-Factor before PAD, art or writing and really disliked they had the final say in the Maddy Pryor saga.

I didn't even know Walt Simonson disliked the Magneto stuff, thought it was just Louise, but both of them makes a lot of sense. (Now I've probably made am arse of myself and you meant Byrne and Louise.)

Date: 2017-03-15 12:12 am (UTC)
zechs80: (Mayuri)
From: [personal profile] zechs80
I'm thinking it was Louise. I used to have the scans of the story. I know it takes place just after this one, Bryne did art on it, it was in an X-Factor annual, and it basically has Dr. Doom holding a Latervian mutant hostage and then giving Magneto a choice.

Date: 2017-03-15 12:55 am (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
From what I can find, its X-Factor annual 4, which I know I skimmed through most annuals especially the crossover ones (this was apparently where Atlantis Attacks was the maim story) when I was doing a big 'every X-Book and guest appearance ever' read (something 100gb of comics in the end I think). I should check on Marvel Unlimited, but, ehn going to that effort for a Byrne/Simonson's anti-Mangneto story...

Date: 2017-03-15 01:01 am (UTC)
zechs80: (Mayuri)
From: [personal profile] zechs80
Sounds about right. Though I ain't doing so either.

Date: 2017-03-13 11:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] balbanes
I remember reading the title when it came out and agreeing with Captain America re: helmet use. Today, though, I find myself thinking Magneto Was Right. :/

Date: 2017-03-13 11:14 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: Dear god, make everyone die. Amen. (makeeveryonedie)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Yehp. Its the "should you punch a nazi/silence hate speech" question. In a perfect world, its bad. But in a world where absolute freedom to decide to be genocidal is an approved option, some controls seem called for.


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