Date: 2017-03-25 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Hold on... Selene, the nigh-immortal, almost utterly unkillable vampiric mutant, survives a throw-down with Magma and Rachel...
And gets knocked out by a nerve pinch?

Oh, Claremont. You so random.

Date: 2017-03-25 12:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] razsolo
Neither of them really attacked her physically though tbh, the only direct assault looks like it was Rachel's psi-bolt. I guess if we're asking WHY Amara didn't just fry her or Rachel attack her telekinetically that's a different issue lol

Date: 2017-03-25 03:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
IIRC, she's supposed to be about twice as strong as Wolverine, and very, VERY resilient. Colossus or Rogue knocking her out, sure, or Professor X mind-whammying her. They'd have done better to have Kurt incapacitate her with the strain of multiple teleports, she should have handed him his ass in a physical fight.

Date: 2017-03-26 01:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] razsolo
Oh, I didn't realise she was meant to be super tough...I have only ever seen her do mumbo jumbo stuff, my bad :)

Date: 2017-03-27 12:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
She's physically outclassed by a lot of superheroes, just not Kurt. But it's worth mentioning that the first time she appeared in the X-Men title proper, she held her own against the entire team until Xavier drove her off with a psychic attack.

Date: 2017-03-25 01:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crinos
Wow, this is the most Claremonty thing I've ever seen from Claremont.

He really went all out on thisun.

Date: 2017-03-25 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Pfft.
There's no Mystique. No lesbianism. No-one's been violently transformed bodily into anything (tentacles optional).
No-one's been corrupted into doing evil then admitting that they actually liked it (with or without being put into some kind of tight, leathery revealing outfit).

This is just Claremont on a Tuesday morning, before he's had a chance to warm up.

Date: 2017-03-25 06:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
I have to disagree with you on the second point. Selene's interest in Rachel is very much written as her being a predatory lesbian.

Come on, a woman in a bondage-y fetish outfit mind controlling two fetish maid and putting leashes on them is at least a 6 on the Claremont Fetish Scale.

Date: 2017-03-25 03:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
So, Sebastian Shaw was the first person to realize "Hey, Rachel looks a lot like Jean Grey." None of the X-Men did because... reasons?

Date: 2017-03-25 06:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
I believe those are Tessa's thought bubbles, so... totally intentional foreshadowing about her being a "living computer"?

Date: 2017-03-25 08:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Really? I thought for years it was Shaw. Huh.

Date: 2017-03-25 11:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
It looks like it's coming from her head. I mean, Shaw's been known to spontaneously develop telepathy, so it could be that.

Date: 2017-03-25 06:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
And I don't think Rachel and Amara have ever even interacted with each other since this. A year later, in Uncanny 207, she again tried to kill Selene and this time Wolverine stabbed her, and she was then abducted by Spiral, which in turn took her to Excalibur where she essentially stayed for years.

Meanwhile, Amara left the New Mutants for the Hellions, goes home to Nova Roma, has her past retconned, is crucified on the lawn, and so on and so forth.

The point being that while they worked well together here, with a Claremontian level of ease and familiarity that seems out of place given their lack of history together, this was a temporary friendship that never went anywhere. I'm not sure they've ever even shared the same room, unless it was a crowd scene.

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