Date: 2017-04-05 01:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
I've always been weirdly into the "two psychopaths who found true love in each other" interpretation of the Harley/Joker relationship.

Date: 2017-04-05 02:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
If it was any other two psychopaths I might agree, but I find the utterly abusive relationship that the BTAS established between Joker and Harley to be so strong, that I can't sidestep it even in other iterations of the pair.

Date: 2017-04-05 02:16 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
That's fair.

Date: 2017-04-06 06:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] empgonzo
Probably one of the only versions of Harley and Joker to work is The Batman version. But that only because they are both terrible people who enjoy being terrible people together.

Date: 2017-04-06 07:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
IMO, the Suicide Squad movie also had a fairly decent take on their relationship. In that movie, Joker is (by villain standards) quite good to Harley. He repeatedly goes to great lengths to rescue her, openly shows affection to her, and the only time we ever see him hurt her is the very short and not particularly graphic scene with electroshock which is implied to turn her into an awesome badass (so, arguably, it might not even count as abusive, as it could be seen as a vampire biting somebody to sire them. "It hurts for a moment and then you get superpowers" is something most people would happily sign up for).

Which is awkward, because mainstream audiences are far more familiar with the Suicide Squad movie than with the comics and most of BTAS. They never saw how incredibly cruel Joker is to Harley in the comics and some episodes of the cartoon. They never saw Joker throw Harley out of a window because he was pissed that she had pulled a better "prank" on Batman. So there is quite the disconnect.

Date: 2017-04-07 10:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I think there's room for both, presuming the interpretation used is executed properly.

I like both depending on the story, but the idea of the Joker having sex just always felt a bit wrong to me (that kind of worked in Brian Azzarello's Joker, but that's only really because the titular character in that book is more of a grounded gangster than the zany, kooky clown in the scans above).

Date: 2017-04-05 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jgeils
That's Bret Blevins doing the art? Wow. It's really different from what he did 30 years ago.

Date: 2017-04-05 02:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] randyripoff
An odd thought just struck me: where does Harley get her clothes?

Date: 2017-04-05 03:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
It kinda feel weird that these cartoonish comics are even more sexually explicit than the mainstream ones.

More organically sexually explicit too. Like, she wants to seduce him in their own presumably heated lair, of course she is naked. Makes perfect sense, got nothing to criticize there. As opposed to "she is patrolling a freezing dark alley and she was shot twice before, but somehow she still thinks a costume made of a bra and tiny shorts is a good idea."

Date: 2017-04-05 04:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
how does the backup tie into the new story

Date: 2017-04-07 10:11 pm (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
From what I can remember, someone from the previous volume became obsessed with Harley and tried turning himself into a perfect copy of the Joker to gain her affections.


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