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"Mikel [Janin] drew him naked for the scene. I think it's a sort of inside joke with Grayson because he always drew Grayson with his shirt off. I looked at it and it came out of my mouth: 'Should we put clothes on him now?' There was something about it I like. He was so confident in his prison. He knew exactly who he was and he didn't give a f***.

"He had no care in the world. But it was just a sign of his power over all those people. Like, dude, I am the perfect god here and gods don't wear clothes. You know? To me, it was a symbol of that, a symbol of his willpower.

"I think what you're seeing in 'I Am Bane,' the arc that's coming up is he puts the clothes back on, he's got the Venom going back on, and those, to Bane, are signs of weakness, in that when he takes the Venom and leaves Santa Prisca, in my head that's a sort of sign he's giving into his worst impulses in a weak sort of way. His moment of strength was when he was comfortable with himself and not wearing any clothes."
-- Tom King















Date: 2017-04-07 02:35 am (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
You'd think Man-Bat and Phosphorous would earn at least two panels each for a fight with Bane.

(Mr. Freeze's page was entirely fair, though.)

Date: 2017-04-07 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Yeah, you really don't want to punch out Dr. Phosphorus with bare fists. That guy can give you half a hospital's worth of problems with a touch.

Date: 2017-04-10 01:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] glprime
"I AM BANE! I DON'T HAVE NIGHTMARES AND I DON'T GET CANCER! RAWR!!!!"

Date: 2017-04-10 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
"I DON'T HAVE NIGHTMARES! I GIVE PEOPLE NIGHTMARES!!" is like the worst response imaginable when you're facing Scarecrow. Ohhhh, you're scary? Like he's never scared a scary person before. Like his origin story isn't about scaring the bullies who scared him. Like his supervillain career isn't based around terrifying the scariest person on earth.

I'm totally cool with Bane steamrolling Crane through grit or Accepting His Weaknesses or whatever. But "I KNOW NO FEAR!!! RAR!!!!" Nah.
Edited Date: 2017-04-10 03:06 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-07 02:39 am (UTC)
nyadnar17: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
I love how fucking smart Riddler is these days.

Date: 2017-04-07 03:22 am (UTC)
qalchemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] qalchemist
I love the Riddler.

Sadly underused character lately though.

Date: 2017-04-07 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aperturedreams
The next major arc, a flashback, is going to be quite riddler-centric.

Date: 2017-04-07 09:09 am (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
That's great to hear, thanks for the news :D

Date: 2017-04-07 06:29 pm (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
That must be the War of Jokes and Riddles then. Excellent - I look forward to it.

Date: 2017-04-07 08:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Yea, I think he's become my favorite batvil.

Date: 2017-04-07 05:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I actually really, really liked him in Zero Year. The only problem I have is just how big that story got; it almost feels like the biggest scheme of Edward's career was his first.

Date: 2017-04-07 06:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Year Zero suffered from trying so hard to be epic, but its take on Eddie was fantastic. Depicting the Riddler not as a joke, but genuinely intimidating in his intelligence, while maintaining his ego and smartass-ness, made for a thrilling villain.

Date: 2017-04-07 06:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I think my issue was more the.. Difficulty of the character living up to that plot again, as I say; I liked that Zero Year was big and epic and huge, in contrast to Batman Begins, which is relatively restrained, and especially compared to Year One. I think, even if it gets written out in a few years, it was at least something different, other than plundering Miller as per.

But I definitely liked that Eddie was the overall big bad. Like yeah, Joker was clearly in there and I like Snyder's run as an.. Examination of the dynamic between Batman and the Joker, but.. In terms of escalating Eddie? Hell yes. Really good stuff for him.

Date: 2017-04-08 08:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
You man either than the entire Year Zero plotline?

Date: 2017-04-07 04:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
He's a plot genius

Date: 2017-04-07 03:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] qalchemist
I have never seen Calendar Man not be a useless buffoon. He's... he's actually being insightful. Holy crap.

Date: 2017-04-07 12:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Props for using the Batman '66 reference, plus that self-takedown he did was brilliant.

Date: 2017-04-10 01:46 am (UTC)
glprime: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glprime
I mean, he's not a complete idiot. "Hmm. Should I fight the big hulking guy hand-to-hand? ...mmmNope!"

Date: 2017-04-07 04:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
When did Arkham Asylum get New Gensis tech? I thought with all the constant breakouts the funding would be cut to the point they couldn't even afford to pay Aaron Cash.

Date: 2017-04-07 09:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Arkham keeps getting an effton of donations from Bruce, who sincerely hopes they'll be able to help his villains.

Then of course they waste and/or steal the money because the staff at Arkham is almost entirely a bunch of corrupt incompetents.

I remember one scene in particular. The Riddler was like ten seconds away from a legit chance at a Heel Face Turn, had spilled his guts about his motives and hopes and doubts and asked the staff for help... while said staff had abandoned their post and was dicking around because "he never says anything important anyway" so they didn't hear a word.

Date: 2017-04-07 09:20 am (UTC)
tigerkaya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
I remember that one shot, good origin story.

From the sounds of it Bruce is merely throwing money into a furnace.

Date: 2017-04-07 09:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
He is. But you know Bruce, he needs to feel like he is at least trying to help. Cutting funding would keep him awake at night thinking "but WHAT IF they might have been able to do something good broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day style and couldn't because they didn't have the economic means and now Harvey and Ivy and Victor and Harley and all their potential victims are doomed because I didn't help when I could and IT'S ALL MY FAULT!!!"

Date: 2017-04-07 11:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
I'd like to think those obscure Golden Age villains who don't pop up anymore have modern counterparts who've been successfully rehabilitated - like Bookworm of Gotham Academy, or those folks from Nightwing's 'framed ex-villains' arc.

Date: 2017-04-07 12:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
That would be beautiful.

Date: 2017-04-07 06:08 pm (UTC)
tigerkaya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
They were helped by the off panel Doctor, Joan Leland.

Date: 2017-04-08 08:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The Jurgens Teen Titans run had their old enemy The Mad Mod shown to have given up crime and stuck with being a hugely successful clothing designer, marketing tagline;. "Is your bod in Mod?"

Date: 2017-04-07 01:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Bruce should open a competing asylum. Might make the Arkham side up their game, and if not, well, the Batsylum will be there to take up the slack.

Date: 2017-04-07 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] caivu
So did Bane repeat his story 9+ times?

Date: 2017-04-07 06:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
It's workable: if you treat those dialogues as separate elements, they sound like Arkham City-esque enemy chatter soundbytes. The only hang-up is Dr. Phosphorus (should've removed "But regardless"), but even then this could work as the disconnected ravings of someone talking to himself on Venom.

I'm more concerned about the timestamps. I love Tom King!Batman, but Zsasz, man: Scarred Ex-Rich Guy with Knife versus Broly Evil Batman shouldn't take 2:43 PM to 4:28 PM. See also: Hush, whose two main powers are smartness and nothing.

Date: 2017-04-07 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Obviously Bane took out Zsasz in 30 seconds and then had an epic, grueling 90-minute karate duel with the Mad Hatter.

Date: 2017-04-07 11:46 am (UTC)
zapbiffpow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
I...this is my truth now. Believe.

Date: 2017-04-07 09:31 pm (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
...That would explain the time frame. I love it.

Date: 2017-04-08 01:41 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I was thinking he might have stopped for afternoon tea (China cups, little sandwiches, fairy cakes, and little finger extended of course because what kind of a monster do you think he is) but I like your idea too.

Date: 2017-04-08 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Por que no los dos? Like chessboxing, but more Victorian.

BANE is preparing RISING DORMOUSE PUNCH!

MAD HATTER offers CUP OF DARJEELING!

BANE accepts CUP OF DARJEELING!

BANE's pinky is extended!

BANE unleashes RISING DORMOUSE PUNCH!

BANE has fractured his pinky for 9999 damage!

and so forth.

Date: 2017-04-07 08:52 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Zsasz, I thought he was supposed to be a pretty dangerous fighter?

Date: 2017-04-07 09:08 am (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
By normal standards, yes. By Batman standards, he should have been dead meat in ten seconds, tops.

Date: 2017-04-07 11:04 am (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
Streets of Gotham some time back had Damian rating Zsasz's skills as basically " He doesn't use a knife.. he IS a knife. "

If you're a good enough knife-fighter to make a guy with training and attitude like that go " Oh. ", you're good enough to frustrate Bane until he lands a direct hit on you.

Date: 2017-04-07 06:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
I remember a pre reboot comic where Bruce didn't want Robin to face him because it was too dangerous. Even by Bat standards I don't think he's a pushover.

Date: 2017-04-07 09:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Victor Zsasz has managed to cut Batman a few times, but never really gone toe-to-toe with him (Streets of Gotham upgraded his skills from how they're usually portrayed). He's definitely dangerous, but not because he's skilled. Zsasz is dangerous because he's viciously insane.

He's Joker dangerous, not Lady Shiva dangerous.

Date: 2017-04-08 09:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The Joker as an individual threat in hand to hand combat has always been a somewhat... contentious issue, usually seeming to last as long as he does against Batman more as much by editorial fiat as plausible skill.

In fairness he's unpredictable and he has the advantage of his usual array of lethal gimmicks, and usually has a gang working with him (for some suicidal reason or another),

Not sure how Zsasz, without that range of power ups, rates as a threat.

Date: 2017-04-08 07:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
I personally think of Batman's rogues gallery less in terms of being threats, and more in terms of being challenges. The challenge with Killer Croc is generally beating him in a fight, while the challenge with Riddler is outsmarting him. With Zsasz, I've noticed the challenge tends to be not beating him, but stopping him from hurting any innocents.

Date: 2017-04-08 08:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yeah, but Batman had that rule for Tim's Robin too, against Two-Face, who he was supposed to perpetually steer clear of "because his obsession with the number two makes him the most dangerous of my enemies", despite the fact that Two-Face was basically a thug with a handgun and a coin which invalidated his plans half the time.

It all depends on who the writer's favourite is, I guess.

Date: 2017-04-08 06:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
That obsession did let him capture Dick and put him in deathtraps on several occasions, iirc.

Even with him being more 'thug' than martial artist, he managed to do pretty well on the physical ends of things.

Date: 2017-04-08 08:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
True but so did MANY of Batman's villains, and Dick was never told to not even go near them regardless of what they were actually doing the way Tim was told to avoid Two-Face.

Date: 2017-04-08 09:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
I remember Dick making a big deal of the Two-Face thing on occasion. He is generally considered on a higher danger level than many of the other ones, is my impression. Not Joker danger, but still formidable.

Date: 2017-04-08 11:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yeah, that's all part of the same arc. Chuck Dixon retconned in the events of Robin Year One, which had Two-Face rig up as trap which led to a judge dying (in a very much missing the point of Two-Face moment, the judge would die whichever side the coin came up. He also nearly beat Dick to death with a baseball bat on their first encounter.

So this left Dick suddenly with retconned in historical unresolved (and terribly plot convenient) issues about Harvey (despite the fact they must have fought each other many times subsequently) for the start of the Prodigal arc.

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