Nemesis #1

Apr. 17th, 2017 11:18 pm
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"What if this genius billionaire was just this total shit, and the only thing that stood between him and a city was the cops? It’s Batman versus Commissioner Gordon, in a weird way. Or maybe a super-villain version of Se7en. A billionaire anarchist up against ordinary people. The Joker’s the best thing in the Batman movies, so this guy is a bit of an amalgamation of all the stuff we like."

- Mark Millar

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Date: 2017-04-17 09:47 pm (UTC)
joetuss: Ali (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
Mark Millar makes comics for kids who torture small animals

Date: 2017-04-18 09:25 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Ironically, he once wrote a Superman PSA comic that condemned those kids.

Date: 2017-04-19 11:06 pm (UTC)
joetuss: Ali (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
Yet he adds fuel to that sick fire with books like Kick Ass
Edited Date: 2017-04-19 11:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-17 09:55 pm (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
"Makes Kick-Ass Look Like S#IT!"

...I mean, it's true, in that, like a wilderness ranger, you're able to distinguish one type of droppings from another...

Date: 2017-04-17 10:08 pm (UTC)
reveen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] reveen
Man, I would actually love a movie adaptation of this. Because the trend for more recent Mark Millar adaptations is to gut a lot of the mean spirited assholishness of his writing and play it with total sincerity. And this is a pretty neato concept being squandered by being part of the "Millarverse".

Give this to Matthew Vaughan and Jane Goldman and I'd love see what we end up with.
Edited Date: 2017-04-17 10:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-18 09:02 am (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
Like his other work (Superior, for example), I think it WAS optioned for a movie. It might in production hell right now.

Crazy how he's able to get so much of his work done, though. He must have some good contacts in the industry.

Date: 2017-04-18 04:10 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Wasn't it set up to have Tony Scott direct? I think that might be part of the reason this one dropped off into development hell.

Date: 2017-04-17 10:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan

Date: 2017-04-19 04:00 am (UTC)
liliaeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liliaeth
My thought exactly

Date: 2017-04-17 11:43 pm (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
Ah a Millar book. Horray.

Sadly all I can say to this is...are those supposed to be buttons on that chair in the last panel? Cause they look a damn lot like nipples/chest regions.

It looks dang weird is all I'm saying.

Date: 2017-04-18 07:04 am (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
If you you took a mammal with multiple sets of nipples and evolved it into a human, that's what their chest would look like.

Sorry about the nightmares.

Date: 2017-04-18 12:04 pm (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
Heh - now that you mention it yea. That about sums it up. I'm frustrated cause I've drawn those sorts of chairs before and somehow freaky nipple beast is not what mine came out as. So either me or this crew is doing something wrong.

As for nightmares - I'm currently in the middle of re-reading the John Carter of Mars books - so this is low on the totem pole of scary/weird mental imagery.

Date: 2017-04-18 02:49 am (UTC)
ovaltinepatrol: Chairman Kaga from Iron Chef (Default)
From: [personal profile] ovaltinepatrol
Does Millar do anything that isn't completely vile? I do like the aesthetic of the villain though.

Date: 2017-04-18 09:51 am (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
His 1994-1996 run on Swamp Thing (the first four issues of which he co-authored with Grant Morrison) was quite good, I thought. The conclusion in particular was both humane and optimistic.

I haven't read most of his other work other than what's been posted here (when I can stomach it). However, I understand that the Elseworlds Superman: Red Son is well-regarded, and that two of his more recent miniseries, Superior (2010-2012) and Starlight (2014), are much lighter and idealistic in tone than most of the work he's been responsible for in the years since Swamp Thing.

So apparently he's more than capable of writing lighter comics; it's just that his more despair-inducing works have made his publishers and him a lot of money... and tend to elicit many more comments when posted here.

Date: 2017-04-18 12:22 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
You know, I picked up Red Son after all the good press it's gotten and it's....totally average. It's not bad, but I think it's being graded on a curve, honestly. There are a lot of Elseworld stories that are as good or better.

Has he written good material? Certainly he has. But as you note, most of his best selling and most famous work is pretty reprehensible stuff. His Superman Adventures material is decent and a few of his more recent titles are just fine (Huck and Starlight come to mind). His run of the Ultimates seemed fresh when it started, but I and many others immediately put it down when we got to the domestic abuse scenes.

My main criticisms of Millar is that first he often embraces very problematic elements in his material for entirely prurient reasons and then acts very tone deaf when called out on those elements (Saying 'my wife read this rape scene and thought it was OK' is the equivalent of 'some of my best friends are X', for example); and the second is writes truly horrible material into his work and then defends it for being 'realistic', as if making something graphic or violent automatically makes it more sophisticated (rather than actually making it more juvenile).

Date: 2017-04-18 04:12 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Red Son is pretty much lauded for the concept, I think, and the final twist, which.. Is clearly something Morrison handed to him, because it's clever in that on-the-nose 'do you get it you pleb?' way that Morrison is, and hasn't been replicated anywhere else in Millar's work.

Date: 2017-04-18 07:52 pm (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
(Saying 'my wife read this rape scene and thought it was OK' is the equivalent of 'some of my best friends are X', for example)

A familiar derailing tactic. Moore pulled something similar in his "Last Interview" when he said, with regard to similar criticisms of his work, "While discussing this [...] with my wife (and let me just repeat that to underline the seriousness of what I’m trying to get across here: WITH – MY – WIFE)." (Emphasis in original)*

Returning to Millar, though: his use of the "my wife thinks it's okay" defence is interesting in light of what he himself admitted was her reaction to The Unfunnies: "My wife got about six pages into it when she was reading it in the bath the other night and she just threw it at me. She said it was the most horrible thing she'd ever read in her life and she didn't want to think this sort of shit even went on in my head."

*To be clear: Moore is, and likely always will be, my favourite comics writer, and I think even a lot of his much-maligned recent work is still well crafted and thought-provoking. But he, like Millar and at least some others in the field, can get defensive about the problematic elements in some of his work, instead of making the effort to understand the criticism of such.

Edited (Typos) Date: 2017-04-18 07:54 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-18 01:11 pm (UTC)
leoboiko: manga-style picture of a female-identified person with long hair, face not drawn, putting on a Japanese fox-spirit max (Default)
From: [personal profile] leoboiko
His brand identity reminds me of this. (Also, this story is utterly stupid and I feel dumber for reading it.)

Date: 2017-04-18 02:21 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I imagine no matter what he does someone will be offended but I thought the first Kick-Ass, Old Man Logan, Chosen, Marvel Knights Spider-Man, etc were all good.

Date: 2017-04-18 04:59 pm (UTC)
ovaltinepatrol: Chairman Kaga from Iron Chef (Default)
From: [personal profile] ovaltinepatrol
I'd forgotten about Old Man Logan, I did enjoy that one. I'll concede that Superman: Red Son wasn't vile, I didn't realize that was Millar. I hope I get the opportunity to read some of the stuff mentioned here (Swamp Thing, Superior, etc.)

Date: 2017-04-19 09:32 pm (UTC)
lb_lee: A cute little sketchy heart, colored pink. (heart)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee

Date: 2017-04-20 01:21 am (UTC)
ovaltinepatrol: Chairman Kaga from Iron Chef (Default)
From: [personal profile] ovaltinepatrol
Well thank you lb_lee <3

Date: 2017-04-20 01:26 am (UTC)
lb_lee: A cute little sketchy heart, colored pink. (heart)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
I eat my bell peppers that way because of him! (And now I can't remember his name! What was his title? The Chairman? The Maestro?)

Date: 2017-04-20 01:31 am (UTC)
ovaltinepatrol: Chairman Kaga from Iron Chef (Default)
From: [personal profile] ovaltinepatrol

Date: 2017-04-20 01:37 am (UTC)
lb_lee: A happy little brain with a bandage on it, surrounded by a circle and the words LB Lee. (Default)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Yes! Blessings upon Chairman Kaga and all his descendants!

(I only knew of Iron Chef's existence because my best friend in high school was really into it! And she showed me it and at the time, I was just like, "this is weird" but I grew more appreciative of its charms over time.)

Date: 2017-04-18 02:57 am (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I think this would be good if the villain were charismatic or likable like Hannibal or Handsome Jack. Or even something like Superior Spider-Man. But he's just a smug douche.

Date: 2017-04-18 02:04 pm (UTC)
liliaeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Honestly, I'm not a fan of villain protagonists in the first place, so I'm probably not the audience for this. But I just don't get why we're supposed to be invested in this character? I mean, if this is supposed to be a series, why should we want to read about him, what value, drama or even joy, should we get out of it as readers?

Date: 2017-04-18 02:17 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Well the hero is the Gordon character so maybe we're supposed to root for him. I guess it's not a huge spoiler to say that he ultimately perseveres at the end.

Date: 2017-04-18 07:05 am (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Oh, Mark Millar. You truly are the Michael Bay of comics.

Date: 2017-04-18 11:29 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Also, who in the hell was inking Epting here, and have they ever heard of "Line Weights"?

Date: 2017-04-18 05:03 pm (UTC)
tugrul: That Chest (Default)
From: [personal profile] tugrul
Really, that plane already killed dozens of people before reaching a conveniently placed petrol truck. With conveniently woman holding a baby standing between crashing plane and petrol truck. And of all the people the villain could target he goes after the POTUS. This is so over-the-top.

Date: 2017-04-18 11:04 pm (UTC)
deepspaceartist: Iron Man mark 43 (Default)
From: [personal profile] deepspaceartist
Does anyone want to tell Millar that it's not called petrol in America?


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