Nemesis #2

Apr. 18th, 2017 02:46 pm
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"Nemesis is the world’s smartest man, and the bad news for us is that he’s the world’s only super-villain. That means he’s got freeze guns and jump-jets and all these James Bond gadgets and he’s using them against us. To entertain himself, he picks a different cop every year and makes his life a misery. The book opens with him fucking over Japan’s top cop, and then our story, the mini-series, takes place as he shifts his attention to Washington and his first American attacks."

- Mark Millar

9 pages of 27

Date: 2017-04-18 01:57 pm (UTC)
liliaeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liliaeth
I honestly can't see why we're supposed to care about this character? I mean, the cops, sure, they seem to be good people, but it doesn't look like they'll be the main protagonists, so why should I be interested in this book?

Date: 2017-04-18 02:05 pm (UTC)
sadoeuphemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
You have just set yourself up for a trap, for the cops are indeed the main protagonists.

Date: 2017-04-18 02:07 pm (UTC)
liliaeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Well at least that's something. Just worried that with a writer like this, it just means they'll end up getting killed, to show off how cool the villain is.

Date: 2017-04-18 02:21 pm (UTC)
sadoeuphemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
Oh my goodness you haven't been exposed to this comic at all. There are things worse than just being killed off.

Date: 2017-04-18 02:28 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Horrible things happen but the cop comes out at the end on top.

Date: 2017-04-18 02:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Seriously, people, I've read Epting books before. The characters didn't used to look like they were all made of wax. What happened?!

Date: 2017-04-18 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
McNiven, not Epting. Epting's the guy on Batwoman currently.

I think they weren't able to get the same team Marvel usually gives McNiven because this was an 'Icon' book. Either that or they were just going for a different, gritter look than usual. Millar invokes Se7en and the like as influences when talking about the character, for instance. But.. It just doesn't work. Niven is meant to look sleek and polished and dynamic. Bad as the writing was, Old Man Logan and Civil War looked stylish as hell, and given this is meant to partly be that kind of summer blockbuster thing but starring a bad guy, you'd have thought it would look the same.

If it's meant to be darker though, why not a Michael Lark or a Jae Lee or something? The latter in particular would make this look just as fantastical and ridiculous, but way darker.

Date: 2017-04-19 09:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Millar invokes Se7en and the like as influences when talking about the character, for instance.

Wow, that explains quite a bit, actually. Including some of why I tend not to care for his work--now that I think of it, a lot of what bugged me about Se7en is here too!

Date: 2017-04-19 12:02 am (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
Someone last post commented on the lack of line weight variation in the inking. That may be whats making this look so....flat?

Date: 2017-04-19 07:09 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Yeah, that was me. I'm continuing the bafflement.

Date: 2017-04-19 09:15 pm (UTC)
lb_lee: M.D. making a shocked, confused face (serious thought)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Yeah, I concur. What a strange stylistic choice. O_o I'm kinda perplexed by it.

Date: 2017-04-18 02:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
You know what weird for a person in their 30's our younger reading stories like this? The utter restraint of the cops.

Like the idea that anyone involved with this manhunt cares at all about taking this guy alive or even has a preference for a live capture is just such an alien mindset to someone who came of age in the time of militarized police forces and the war on terror.

You blow up people? You kill a cop? Most of us expect you to end up dead right there.

Date: 2017-04-18 03:13 pm (UTC)
rainspirit: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rainspirit
Well, he's dressed up like a white supremacist. Maybe that's your answer.

Date: 2017-04-18 04:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goattoucher
I like how we have the "hyper realism" of villains getting up to all sort of atrocities like you would never see in mainstream comics, but then we get that juxtaposed with the ridiculous (and exceedingly mainstream) Batman Morality of the good guys.

Not only to be good guys not respond to his violence in kind, his plan -hinges- on their restraint. One bullet in that last panel and the series is over.

I'd say that I'd like to see the good guys be as ruthless as the bad guys, but then you'd get "The Boys", and who wants that?
Edited Date: 2017-04-18 04:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-18 04:36 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
He has the President hostage. They can't kill him.

Date: 2017-04-19 12:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miramira
Yeah, not buying it. If you're dealing with a supervillain who's willing to kill twenty thousand people as a diversionary tactic, you find secure locations to stash whatever Cabinet members you can and hit him with everything you've got.

Date: 2017-04-19 03:08 am (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Is that the procedure when the president gets kidnapped?

Date: 2017-04-19 11:31 am (UTC)
miramira: book stack (Default)
From: [personal profile] miramira
Well, no, they'd probably start by declaring the president unable to execute the duties of his office at present, and the VP or whoever's next highest in the order of succession would be sworn in to give orders and reassure the public someone's looking out for them. But I'm guessing designated survivor protocols are somewhere in the manual.

Date: 2017-04-19 12:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wizardru
There is a substantial system of procedures for interruption of the government, including kidnapping or incapicitation of members of the executive branch. I was just listening to an interview last night with one of Obama's staff members discussing a time when they did a test when the president was getting his appendix out (at the president's request).

If the president were taken hostage, he would lose executive power in a matter of minutes, as the VP would be sworn in to perform his duties temporarily. If the VP isn't available, it keeps going down the chain through a series of elected officials or congressionally approved cabinet members. At least 15 people should be on deck to take over at any given time, based on laws changed periodically over the years (the latest addition being the Secretary of Homeland Security, added in 2006 at the end of the list).

It's the core conceit of the recent Battlestar Galactica series, where the secretary of Education is sworn in as president after the cylon attack kills everyone else. Likewise, the ABC series Designated Survivor has the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development as the only cabinet member selected to not attend a State of the Union address where a bombing kills everyone, making him the defacto president (as he was the designated survivor of the show's title).

The idea that the president being taken hostage would do anything other than make people mad is one of those things that Mark Millar never gets about the American political system (just like he doesn't understand how laws/acts are passed/enforced, ex:Civil War). The idea that a man who just killed tens of thousands of people could protect himself by taking the president hostage? NAH.

Date: 2017-04-19 09:19 pm (UTC)
lb_lee: M.D. making a shocked, confused face (serious thought)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
I remember it also came up in Y: The Last Man! Wasn't some really random person eventually president because she was the highest woman in line and all the men were dead? I can't remember what position she held... Ministry of Agriculture or something?

Date: 2017-04-19 04:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Agreed. This guy just racked up a body count of six 9/11's, and the only thing keeping him alive is the life of one man. Not many tears are going to be shed if Nemesis dies "resisting" arrest.

Date: 2017-04-18 04:35 pm (UTC)
joetuss: Ali (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
Beat me to it

Date: 2017-04-18 03:59 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Might be because he's holding the President hostage.

Date: 2017-04-18 07:01 pm (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Didn't the Pentagon guys try to kill him as soon as they saw him? Not seeing the restraint.

Date: 2017-04-18 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beeyo
Does this guy end up being one of those heroes from the end of The Boys? Possibly the one that popped a boner?


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