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'Wanted to write this page since I was 9. Hope it inspires a picked-on kid, as the comics of my nerdy youth inspired me. "I'm still here."' -- Tom King

Date: 2017-04-21 10:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Nicely badass moment (Though the fact he can list all his kids as having died at some point is a depressing realisation about DC editorial decisions).

His mother showing up in his psyche to be told that he's outgrown his need for her manages to be a combination of touching, repetitive (The whole "I'm a grown up now" is on a par with "I don't need anyone/ Wait, yes I do" as a Batman character arc trope) and weird (Why his mother and not his father in this instance?)

Date: 2017-04-21 10:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Awesomesauce, both on Martha's expanded role and the plot structuring.

Date: 2017-04-22 01:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] walkingthroughforest
I wish I could "like" this

Date: 2017-04-21 03:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I personally love that it's his mother... people tend to forget he has one unless pearls are involved...

Date: 2017-04-21 04:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
I don't understand why he couldn't just have a good relationship with both of his parents? Why does one have to be reduced for the other? It makes no sense.

Date: 2017-04-21 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Like with a lot of media, A male/male relationship is considered more important than a male/female relationship. the only exception is a male/female romance (because No Homo), but even that can be treated as less important than a male/male friendship.

Date: 2017-04-21 07:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
Yeah, but here, with the whole Rebirth/New 52 shake up, you have a perfect opportunity to lift both characters up, but you instead choose to make Thomas, a negligent/distant parent. I never liked Martha's previous role of "oh yeah, my mom died in that alley as well" either, and I'm glad to see her built up here, but diminishing Bruce and Thomas relationship seems unnecessary.

Date: 2017-04-22 02:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
I don't think Thomas' was intended to be portrayed as distant or negligent here, just that it was harder for Bruce to articulate how he felt, given how he had a kid's mindset and dadly hero worship and all. Consider how Bruce uses 'formal' to refer to his dad, not any clear negative description.

Also for what it's worth, Zero Year Thomas Wayne was written to be actually kind of a talkable guy. King may take the poor writer continuity rap, but not fatherly defamation. And even if he eats that this is a much gentler blow than most of the projective handling of in-story paternal criticisms out there.

Date: 2017-04-21 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Probably because Thomas Wayne has been used to death (pun not intended) at this point. Anytime we get a glimpse of Bruce's relationship with his dead parents, it's usually about Thomas or the two of them together. Never about Martha as the focus.
I believe the most focus Martha has got that isn't related to Thomas Wayne was during Snyder's court of Owl, where it is a plot point that she helped a children's hospital because of... THomas Wayne... wait, i framed that the wrong way...

Date: 2017-04-21 01:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] indy2012
Not too impressed with the all of the Tom King stuff I read on here, but I always find it refreshing when Martha Wayne's role is expanded to more than a string of pearls falling on blood-soaked concrete. Seems that most of the attention is almost always on Thomas Wayne.

I also don't understand her outfit here. Why would she wear long, white opera gloves to a movie? Or if this is just supposed to be her lounging around the manor, the question still stands. I guest opera gloves are just shorthand for being a fancy rich lady. It looks more like a costume than an outfit that a real, human woman would wear.

Date: 2017-04-21 02:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cygnia
My theory: memory is an unreliable narrator. And the brain has a habit of reinforcing things to Made it So.

Date: 2017-04-21 06:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alicemacher
I like the allusions to Batman stories in various media, particularly Martha talking with Bruce when he's on the brink of death ("Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?").

Date: 2017-04-22 12:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Stupid Bat-history question: When were the names of Thomas and Martha Wayne established? And when was it revealed Thomas was a doctor?

I'm sure there are stories where someone says "Bruce Wayne isn't the billionare wastrel he appears to be, because I knew Thomas and Martha." In retrospect, "I knew Thomas and Martha" is as good a reason to realize Bruce is Batman as any other.


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