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"A little while back, Grant Morrison and I were discussing the old Superman lore, specifically all the various items he had in the Fortress of Solitude. He had that giant key, and the Bottle City of Kandor, but he also had a Zone-a-phone. It was a device that Superman used to look into the Phantom Zone. And, whenever Superman would look into it all he ever saw were these people shouting 'I hate you, Superman!' and 'I'm going to get you for this!'

"So, the obvious question came up: Why would anyone want to keep a device like this in their house?! A device that is just full of people telling you how much they despise you whenever you turn it on! And then I realized that I had a Zone-a-phone in my house; it's called the Internet."
-- Mark Waid

Date: 2017-05-05 01:20 am (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
I don't know if I have a "love to hate" thing with these bad guys, or just hate them. Their variety of small, petty evil is really upsetting to me.

Date: 2017-05-05 03:49 am (UTC)
liliaeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Which just makes me want to see them get the crap beaten out of them, preferably sooner rather than later.

Date: 2017-05-05 06:37 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
We have technically. Both times they fought with the Champions, the Champions kicked their asses.

Date: 2017-05-05 10:47 pm (UTC)
nyadnar17: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
I like them a lot more now they are actually acting smart. Good proper villainy seems so hard to find these days.

Date: 2017-05-05 04:27 am (UTC)
deepspaceartist: Kamen Rider Decade (Decade)
From: [personal profile] deepspaceartist
It was really naïve of them to think they could willingly choose not to copyright their symbol and name and think no bad guys would take advantage of that. The cultural revolution part is great and all, but if you want to win in the court of public opinion you need to be prepared for the fact that most people in said court give no shits about the truth, just what they perceive and how that makes them feel.

If Kamala wants to start a movement, she and her team need to be playing the PR game. Otherwise, this Champions team is doomed to the same obscurity as the first one.

Date: 2017-05-05 06:38 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Except that requires them to give up their secret identities.

Besides, it's a none issue as of the recent issue.

Date: 2017-05-05 06:48 am (UTC)
deepspaceartist: Kamen Rider Decade (Decade)
From: [personal profile] deepspaceartist
Well Viv and Scott for sure and likely Amadeus don't have secret identities. And the Avengers, Fantastic Four and the X-men (among many others) were able to keep bad guys from taking their names and symbols for themselves. So while they may not want to associate with older teams, they may want to at least look into what those teams did that worked instead of rejecting them wholesale.

And having read the new issue, it's a temporary fix at best. Going "no we're not cool with that" every time the freelancers put out something new will only work for so long if they want to keep using the Champions name and symbols.

Date: 2017-05-05 05:41 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Butt again, the F4 and the X-Men had public identies, so they could trademark their brand.

Though Amadeus does own his own company, so maybe he could do something.

Date: 2017-05-05 05:41 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
I'm... not sure if that would hold up in court?

At the very least, I believe there's the ability to challenge its use and claim.

Anyway, I like how Ms. Marvel called just how that fight would go down.

Date: 2017-05-05 06:40 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Granted, wouldn't that require them to give up their identities? Only Amadeus,Scott and Viv have public identies.

Date: 2017-05-05 07:04 am (UTC)
sadoeuphemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
I don't actually see how this is supposed to benefit the bad guys? Why would luxury good manufacturers want their brand associated with this rogue superhero team? And why would fans of the Champions buy these goods?

I mean, if you're selling shirts with their logo on them, just generic merch, sure, there are going to be a bunch of people willing to buy those. But gated communities? Cigarettes? What?


Date: 2017-05-05 09:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
Why would fans buy this stuff if the Champs asked them to boycott it?

The bad guys aren't playing with a full hand, let along a full deck.

Re: Ditto

Date: 2017-05-06 09:39 am (UTC)
liliaeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liliaeth
that actually requires teenagers to be more informed than they often are though.

Date: 2017-05-05 02:26 pm (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
If Champions put out their logo in public domain, that means it’s actually falling under certain licenses concerning intellectual property for free use by anyone. That means you cannot legally trademark it, certainly not without knowledge and approval of the nominal rights owners. Yes, you can use it, but the moment you try to trademark something in public domain you’re setting yourself up to get your butt dragged through the court. Not to mention that after mercenary team working for the bank admitted they framed Champions for a crime they didn’t commit -- assaulting two homeless people -- then you can easily build a case of the company attempting to destroy Champions' reputation. A good lawyer could sue the bank that hired the Freelancers for defamation; there's a chance the bank would likely cave in/settle out of court just to avoid the bad press such lawsuit would get them.

Is Amadeus still CEO of Olympus Group (and thus have access to their team of lawyers)? Do any of these kids know Matt Murdock?

Date: 2017-05-05 05:35 pm (UTC)
deepspaceartist: Kamen Rider Decade (Decade)
From: [personal profile] deepspaceartist
I wonder if that's why they're not putting Ironheart on the team yet. Because Riri comes with AI Tony Stark, and that would quickly solve all these problems. Because there's few heroes better at PR than Tony Stark.

Date: 2017-05-06 04:52 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Matt Murdock is a Prosecutor these days, so he can't do much besides maybe advise them.

And Amadeus sister took over the Olympus group. Though he does still have access to their facilities.

Date: 2017-05-05 01:44 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Didn't something like this happen to Ms Marvel already?

Date: 2017-05-05 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Technically speaking, Kamala was infringing on Carol Danvers' identity prior 'Last Days'.

Date: 2017-05-06 04:53 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Kamala brought it up actually.

Date: 2017-05-05 07:11 pm (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
The Champions did trademark their symbol. Use is sufficient to establish a common law trademark.

Date: 2017-05-06 04:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
I'm a little bit disappointed that a team that has the 7th smartest individual on the planet keeps getting outwitted by these a-holes. Pre-Hulk Amadeus would never have let that happen.

Date: 2017-05-07 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
This isn't how public domain works. It might be how Marvel/Disney think it works, which is frightening.


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