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Peter comes upon Harry while he's wigging out on drugs,

Harry then falls down the stairs, breaks his neck and dies, all because Peter couldn't spare him the time to make sure he didn't hurt himself...

OK that didn't happen, but it could've.

Date: 2009-07-30 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Ah, Harry. The Spider-Man buttmonkey.

Someone ought to scan the time Falcon beat up Harry because he thought Harry was Spider-Man.

Date: 2009-07-30 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.insanejournal.com
Makes Ollie look kind of compassionate, doesn't he?

I have no experience taking LSD, but would somebody be still tripping on acid he dropped the day before? I thought it lasted, like, 5 hours or so.

Date: 2009-07-30 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.insanejournal.com
Ah! I see now. I should have known he would be taking L$D.

Date: 2009-07-30 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
So acid is like Mountain Dew, then?

*wonders who will get the reference*

Date: 2009-07-30 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nezchan.insanejournal.com
He shouldn't even know about that train car!

Date: 2009-07-30 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
In all fairness though, he did hear someone scream for help. Peter's not in a good mood, but between either saving someone, or comforting someone because of stupid actions they freely undertook, I think saving someone is the far more moral choice.

Date: 2009-07-30 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fungo_squiggly.insanejournal.com
Isn't that Harry who's screaming for help?

Date: 2009-07-30 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
That it is, I didn't see that.

Well, Harry was being a big pussy and drama queen. He's not worth the effort :P

Date: 2009-07-30 07:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Self-righteous much?

Date: 2009-07-30 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kagome654.insanejournal.com
Yeah, Harry has some pretty...'extreme' reactions to LSD, but they are genuine reactions all the same. Not to mention this is the guy who grew up with Norman Osborn as a father, he kinda started behind the eight ball.

Date: 2009-07-30 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.insanejournal.com
Oh no, I would make that choice too, you're right. It's more just the whole attitude that's over-the-top even before he hears the call to help.

Though I should say that it's also kind of refreshing change from the way drug addiction storylines seem to often go on network TV. There you seem to always get situations where all their friends are only worried about them destroying themselves and planning interventions and all that no matter what the other person does. Where as in real life drug addicts can actually just be very annoying, and people often need to just ot deal with them to avoid getting sucked into the morass.

Also, I didn't realize Peter's rage was coming from so many other things, as somebody explained below. That explains a lot of his attitude that seemed a little much.

Date: 2009-07-30 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fungo_squiggly.insanejournal.com
Again, it was Harry himself who was calling for help.

For me, what makes Peter seem dickish here is his attitude about the whole thing. "Harry brought this upon himself, and there isn't much I can do to help him since he won't get off the drugs. Meanwhile, Gwen Stacy's murderer is still on the loose. I can't stop Harry from doing LSD but I CAN stop the Green Goblin from killing again" would sound reasonable.

But he phrased it more like, "Should I stay here to help my whiny little bitch of a friend, or should I go kill the guy who wronged me? Hmm... killing it is! Ha, ha! As if mere friendship could stop me from getting my revenge on!"

But, then again, Peter was going through a terrible time just then so I guess one can excuse him for being so overwrought about it all.

Date: 2009-07-30 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.insanejournal.com
Thanks for that explanation about the calling for help.

But yeah, ITA. That's what I originally meant about him making Ollie look compassionate. But learning that Gwen recently died explains to me at least why he's being so contemptuous of Harry. It seems like it's kind of a kicking the dog moment rather than the way Peter automatically reacts to drug use.

Date: 2009-07-31 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
That's true. But at the same time, it's also one of the moments Peter failed, utterly, to be a friend. Did he ever feel badly about this?

Thing is, he does stuff like this all the time. The use of such incidents is his guilt later.

Date: 2009-07-31 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
Armchair shrink: Peter's guilt is how he avoids admitting he did wrong and then working to change! He thinks his emo is punishment enough!

Date: 2009-07-30 06:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stolisomancer.insanejournal.com
Isn't this from the issue right after Gwen died?

Date: 2009-07-30 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wizardru.insanejournal.com
Yup, Spidey 122, iirc. Gwen JUST died.

Peter's kind of filled with RAGE right here.

Date: 2009-07-30 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Who's the person screaming for help?

Date: 2009-07-30 07:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-30 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)
I'm also getting a bit of self-loathing here. He doesn't seem particularly happy with himself for deciding what he did.

Date: 2009-07-30 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fungo_squiggly.insanejournal.com
I can see that.

Date: 2009-07-30 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wizardru.insanejournal.com
Let's see:

Harry's hopped up on LSD again.
Harry's alienated just about every friend he's got, including his girlfriend, Mary Jane Watson.
Harry has refused to get off drugs, but instead keeps hitting harder and harder stuff.
Harry's dad MURDERS Peter's girlfriend.

Yeah, I'm not seeing Spider-dickery, here.

Date: 2009-07-30 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kagome654.insanejournal.com
Harry's actually on pretty good terms with all the other characters at this point, which is why his relapse was so surprising.

And 'refused' to get off drugs? It's an addiction, it's not like refusing to change your stinky socks. I don't think Peter's acting horribly here, but Harry isn't entirely unsympathetic.

Date: 2009-07-30 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wizardru.insanejournal.com
I'm just echoing Peter's angry though process there. Harry is an addict (at least, until he's not...you know, comics...) and certainly out of control, again. Relapses are like that in real life, too. And you have to put this in perspective: this was in the 1970s...addiction wasn't viewed quite the same way, then.

Hell, Peter's even slightly berating himself and recognizing his own selfishness....but Harry's REALLY testing his loyalties, here. Bad enough his father is Peter's greatest enemy; bad enough that his father JUST KILLED THE WOMAN HE LOVES; but on top of everything else, when Peter needs him most, he's falling apart, from Peter's perspective. He's filled with Anger, Self-Loathing and Despair...and Harry's a convenient target.

Peter's shining moment? Not by a long shot...but not exactly dickery in my mind.

Date: 2009-07-30 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kagome654.insanejournal.com
Fair enough, I kinda misunderstood the direction you were coming from.

Date: 2009-07-30 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandoz_iscariot.insanejournal.com
LOL I think I scanned this, back in the day? Oh Peter, I'm sure abandoning Harry in his time of need will have no negative consequences...

Date: 2009-07-31 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
Hopefully, you did the color version. I believe it looks more cracky.

Date: 2009-07-30 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeixquich.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)
Gee, Pete! For a guy who whines and complains about EVERYTHING in his life, you sure are insensitive. No wonder you did a pact with the devil.

Date: 2009-07-31 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverzeo.insanejournal.com
One panel makes Peter look like Brock Samson as he kills a henchman with his own organs...

Date: 2009-07-31 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ar_feiniel_.insanejournal.com
I really don't know why Harry's put up with Peter for so many years. He's always been a pretty crap friend.

Date: 2009-07-31 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] halloweenjack.insanejournal.com
With those crazy eyes, Peter looks like he's been shooting crystal meth straight into his brain.


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