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When Charles Soule started his Daredevil run DD's secret identity was back in the closet, with only Foggy Nelson knowing who he really was. Today's issue revealed what caused the new status quo.

Daredevil visits his girlfriend Kirsten, from Mark Waid's run, but she doesn't know he's really Matt anymore.

Maybe this was explained elsewhere, but I think there's a little discrepancy with how the mindwipe thing was supposed to work. Before it was shown that Elektra remembers being with both Matt and Daredevil, she just thinks they were two different people and that she was cheating on Matt. Here Kirsten only remembers being with Matt.

Daredevil visits Foggy, who doesn't remember who he is either until he unmasks.

Daredevil goes back to the Purple Man's machine, only to find it destroyed. He fights some crime and sees that nobody else knows who he really is anymore either.

Matt breaks up with her.

Date: 2017-05-17 10:13 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Still a better mindwipe than OMD.

Date: 2017-05-17 10:39 pm (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
I'm having a hard time imaging a worse retcon than OMD.

Date: 2017-05-17 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] remial
Superboy Prime punching time has to be close

Date: 2017-05-17 10:51 pm (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Naw not even close. I mean as shitty as supeboy punch was it was an external force altering their lives. Not a hero making a deal with an evil abomination that may or may not be the literal devil and pissing away his marraige and unborn child to selfishly save an old woman who would definitely not approve.

Date: 2017-05-17 11:26 pm (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Nope don't buy it Peter making ever effort to save his aunt is one thing making a deal with the devil is just straight up character assassination IMO and portrays Peter horribly. The entire situation was badly written from beginning to end.

Date: 2017-05-18 12:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Does Peter bear some of the blame for Aunt May's injury yes he made a lot of bad decisions that led up to it. But frankly saving Aunt May by trading his marriage is a worse decision than letting her die because Aunt May herself would not want to be saved by Peter doing something like that.

I agree it doesn't make Peter stupid to save his aunt though it does make him look incredibly selfish and immature which may be how Marvel wants Peter to be but frankly I consider it bad writing.

Date: 2017-05-18 03:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
"Aunt May herself would not want to be saved by Peter doing something like that."

That should not be a calculation in a superhero's thinking. When the innocent person says, "No, I'm not worth it," the hero says, "Yes, you are."

Date: 2017-05-18 07:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] outlawpoet
the problem is that it's not "I'm not worth it", but "I don't want the literal devil using me as bait"

Date: 2017-05-18 11:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Like outlaw poet said it isn't May saying "I'm not worth it" she would be saying "Don't sacrifice other lives for mine." Which is something someone should consider.

I also don't consider it the same as a hero trying to save someone who doesn't want to be saved on the street because Peter would not make this same sacrifice for other people even if he was 100% responsible for their condition. I mean I personally don't see Mephisto showing up saying "Hey Spiderman this person got shot by a bullet you dodged and is dying wanna trade your marriage to me to save their life?" Resulting in Peter agreeing to do it.

This entire thing is about his feelings for his Aunt and not wanting to deal with the guilt of being partially responsible. Mary Jane only agreed/helped convince peter because she knew how much Peter needed it which makes their entire marraige look incredibly unhealthy.

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Date: 2017-05-19 12:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
This basically means Aunt May was saved through satanic intervention... that rarely ends well, and she would be the first to wallop Peter upside the head for being so stupid.

Date: 2017-05-19 07:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
I'd think she'd do so just on principle.

Date: 2017-05-17 10:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] balbanes
How about Superman reversing time by making the Earth spin backwards? :D

I guess I don't find either of those as awful, because they're completely ridiculous. The writers just phoned in an explanation, and we're supposed to suspend our disbelief. Fine, whatever.

OMD suffers from being a drawn out, "serious" explanation that's gawd-awful. Would have been better if Peter was suddenly single in the next issue, with no explanation ever.


Date: 2017-05-17 11:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
Apparently he was just flying faster than light and the earth spinning backwards was just to show that he was traveling backwards in time.

Of course, wouldn't there have been 2 Supermans if he did that?

Re: Misconception

Date: 2017-05-17 11:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] balbanes
Then why does he need to reverse the reversed spin? If Superman were just going faster than light, the earth would resume its normal motion (relative to him) as soon as he slowed down.


Re: Misconception

Date: 2017-05-18 12:08 am (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
It was to avoid the two supermen problem. BAsically the spinning Earth was supposed to represent him traveling back in time changing Lois' fate and then traveling back to the point he traveled back from.

It really was a fail on the part of the folks involved not to use something else for the effect. IT is a pretty clear example of something that is easily explained on a comic panel being very hard to do in live action.

Re: Misconception

Date: 2017-05-18 03:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
That's always how I interpreted it, since the first time I saw it. I was surprised when I learned others took it more literally.

Re: Misconception

Date: 2017-05-18 04:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] an_idol_mind
But if he can travel that fast in the first place, why wouldn't he have been able to catch both missiles?

Re: Misconception

Date: 2017-05-19 12:49 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2017-05-17 11:31 pm (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Honestly I still say if Marvel had to use deal with the devil to undo the marriage they should have had Norman make the deal. I mean imagine if instead PEter had been tempted but realising how seflish it would be turn around and reject Mephisto.

Mephisto feeling cheated immediately goes to Norman Osborne offers him his son Harry back and as a special bonus the complete destruction of Peter's marriage and Norman being the only one to really know his secret ID anymore.

You then could have had a truly heart wrenching moment where Norman confronts Peter and MJ and tells them what he's done just before the deal takes effect. Same out come but instead of being something horrible that Peter did to himself it was something horrible done to him by a villain.
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Oh, I had an idea to "fix" Spider-Man a while ago that involved Pete & MJ realizing that they didn't make a deal with Mephisto, Norman did.

Date: 2017-05-19 04:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zylly
That's brilliant.

And it nicely solves the question of why Mephisto didn't pull his usual shit and save May from the gunshot only to be hit by a bus leaving the hospital.

Date: 2017-05-18 01:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I give Superboy punching time a pass. Because, in bringing back Jason Todd, Judd Winnick and Co. had to create a mystery even Batman couldn't solve.

Date: 2017-05-17 10:49 pm (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Yeah it would be really hard and most of the worse than omd scenarios I can think up involving being almost identical just with even worse motivations. Like instead of saving elderly aunt saving your elderly gold fish or maybe you just don't want to be married anymore but don't want the hassle of a divorce so use mephisto deal to get rid of the marriage.


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