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When Charles Soule started his Daredevil run DD's secret identity was back in the closet, with only Foggy Nelson knowing who he really was. Today's issue revealed what caused the new status quo.





Daredevil visits his girlfriend Kirsten, from Mark Waid's run, but she doesn't know he's really Matt anymore.



Maybe this was explained elsewhere, but I think there's a little discrepancy with how the mindwipe thing was supposed to work. Before it was shown that Elektra remembers being with both Matt and Daredevil, she just thinks they were two different people and that she was cheating on Matt. Here Kirsten only remembers being with Matt.

Daredevil visits Foggy, who doesn't remember who he is either until he unmasks.



Daredevil goes back to the Purple Man's machine, only to find it destroyed. He fights some crime and sees that nobody else knows who he really is anymore either.



Matt breaks up with her.

Date: 2017-05-18 03:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
"Aunt May herself would not want to be saved by Peter doing something like that."

That should not be a calculation in a superhero's thinking. When the innocent person says, "No, I'm not worth it," the hero says, "Yes, you are."

Date: 2017-05-18 07:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] outlawpoet
the problem is that it's not "I'm not worth it", but "I don't want the literal devil using me as bait"

Date: 2017-05-18 11:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Like outlaw poet said it isn't May saying "I'm not worth it" she would be saying "Don't sacrifice other lives for mine." Which is something someone should consider.

I also don't consider it the same as a hero trying to save someone who doesn't want to be saved on the street because Peter would not make this same sacrifice for other people even if he was 100% responsible for their condition. I mean I personally don't see Mephisto showing up saying "Hey Spiderman this person got shot by a bullet you dodged and is dying wanna trade your marriage to me to save their life?" Resulting in Peter agreeing to do it.

This entire thing is about his feelings for his Aunt and not wanting to deal with the guilt of being partially responsible. Mary Jane only agreed/helped convince peter because she knew how much Peter needed it which makes their entire marraige look incredibly unhealthy.

Date: 2017-05-18 01:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
He sacrificed his and Mj's life together which is pretty much sacrificing their lives as they are for something he has no idea about. For all he knew Mephisto could have conned him and saved Aunt May from the gunshot only to have her die of natural causes at the same time. Or the loss of his and MJ's happiness could have resulted in her dying at the hands of her stalker if in the new time line if they weren't together when that mess went down.

Frankly the deal should have set off a massive chain reaction as it would affect not just the two of them but everyone they ever interacted with the only reason it didn't was this was all an editorial ploy to get rid of the marriage.

Date: 2017-05-18 02:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Yes it worked out but neither Peter or MJ knew it would. That's the whole problem with them agreeing to do it. It makes it clear that Peter's guilt complex around his aunt is stronger than his relationship with his wife or his care of what she would want him to do. It results in a Peter that personally I can't really route for and probably explains why I haven't bought a spiderman title since One more day.

Date: 2017-05-18 04:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Actually he probably could since he wouldn't be harming Peter just May and death is a part of life. At the end of the day Mephisto being a devil figure should twist every deal anyone ever makes with him to screw them over in some way. Of course that was never going to happen since the entire demon deal was a poorly thought out retcon to get rid of something editorial wanted gone.

The most amusing thing in a how could they be so stupid way about the entire thing is editorial probably figured folks would forget about it and in a few years no one would bring it up(like countless other shitty storylines) but instead hero selling his marriage to the devil has pretty much become one of the defining examples of a shitty story line at editorial whims regardless of how it tarnishes the characters.

Date: 2017-05-18 05:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Mephisto as a character has existed since the very beginning managing to screw folks who make deals with him but out of the blue just this once he doesn't and can't cause Peter and MJ in a moment of weakness some how out negotiated him so all he can do is a last minute petty see you aborted your future daughter moment but you won't even remember.

If he litterlaly cannot interfear with anyone important to peter than that makes the deal an even worse deal for him. him not being able to directly touch Peter is one thing. Him not being able to touch anyone peter cares about doesn't make sense. He has also interacted with Flash and others sense then so it makes no sense to me.

Date: 2017-05-18 09:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Point though I still contend the entire one more day deal was badly written and clearly just an editorial fiat and even if we go by the premise that Mephisto can't do a thing to Peter or his family it was still the wrong thing to do. The fact editorial was planning to use Mephisto to undo the marriage off and on for years just makes it worse. Since it means they never thought things through despite having several years to do it in.

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