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In light of some of the recent Joker posts and discussions on his sanity and morality (or lack thereof) and the ethics of Batman keeping him alive I decided to revisit what I consider to be one of the definitive Joker stories.

This was a four-parter from Legends of the Dark Knight that ran from #66 to #68 by J.M. DeMatteis and Joe Staton.

So Joker's up to his old tricks again, only this time he manages to get the upper hand on the Batman.



So naturally Gotham City is concerned that both the Joker and Batman are missing with reports that Joker might have finally killed Bats.

Outside his new apartment, 'Joker' bumps into a young woman.

Rebecca knows from 'Joseph' that he's taking pills for a skin condition and that he's struggled with a mental illness in the past. This doesn't concern her, as she's never been happier with anyone else.

Joseph's dreams, meanwhile, are haunted by horrific manifestations of the Joker and Batman, attempting to claw their way back to the surface. The Joker persona almost surfaces after hearing about him on the news, and he breaks down laughing in the elevator.

As Rebecca hopes that whatever demons were haunting Joseph have gone away for good, Alfred visits the Batcave and discovers that Batman is back.


"We - keep - coming - back."

A lot of the issue, which I'm not posting, focuses on what happened to Batman when he was washed up ashore and found by the doctor. It's a mirror to the Joker's storyline; she doesn't know who Batman is, and there's sort of a romance there as we see a different life that Bruce could lead away from his role as Batman. But it's revealed that she knew all along and encourages him to go back to Gotham.

Finally, #68...

So Batman hears that the Joker has returned, and this time he has kidnapped a Gotham councilwoman.

We flashback to see 'Joseph' and Rebecca in happier times...

So Joker takes the councilwoman hostage on a 'honeymoon' but is pursued by Batman. Joker tells Batman he's not going to let him take Rebecca away from him.

Batman thinks to himself that for a moment he saw something tender in Joker's eyes, but whatever it was, it's gone.

Joker attempts to blow up the boat and escape via a jetpack, but Batman grabs him and the two fall into the ocean. Batman saves his nemesis from drowning and takes him to the helicopter.

Date: 2017-05-23 02:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] commodus
It's weird, but the thing I love the most about this comic is that it establishes that The Joker has an encyclopedic knowledge of, and sincere affection for, old 1920's silent comedies.
It's such a little detail to his character, but it just clicks so perfectly.

Date: 2017-05-23 02:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
I never realized this before, but it's pretty hosed up how dull and insular they both are as people. Their idea of compatibility is that they both hate music these days, they hate movies these days, they'd rather listen to 40s radio shows than watch TV, what the fuck. Their first encounter is them both hanging out at her place and not talking much, and that's their idea of a good first date. She refers to them as Prince Charming and Sleeping Beauty - why Sleeping Beauty? Her whole thing is that she's asleep for most of the story, and a prince kisses her and wakes her up, and that's it, that's her life, that's their entire romance. She knows her boyfriend has these dissociative episodes and terrible nightmares and mental problems, and they never have a serious in-depth conversation about this stuff; she just worries about him and tries to comfort him without having any idea of what the root cause of all of this is. They're super lovey-dovey, but they seem to barely know each other at all. She all of a sudden worries that she's the problem and he's having second thoughts about marrying her - why is their relationship that fragile?

It's like a parody of what the Joker thinks normie relationships are like.

Date: 2017-05-23 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cricharddavies
She refers to them as Prince Charming and Sleeping Beauty - why Sleeping Beauty? Her whole thing is that she's asleep for most of the story, and a prince kisses her and wakes her up

And it's even worse when you go back to the older, nastier version of the tale.

Date: 2017-05-23 04:13 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (bat o'lantern 2)
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
Rebecca, honey, pray that your old boyfriend DOESN'T remember ANYTHING about you! Trust me on this.

Date: 2017-05-23 04:17 pm (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
This should be one of those Joker stories that's kept continually in print. But since it isn't by someone with the name recognition of Moore (whose TKJ is also a classic) or Azzarello (whose Joker is very much not), it spent years uncollected, got one brief printing as a trade, and that was it. Bah.

Date: 2017-05-23 04:36 pm (UTC)
lb_lee: Raige making a horrified face. (D:)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Y'know, the thing that makes me saddest is that I get nightmares and dissociative episodes too, and now it's like, "Ugh, great, now I feel like THE JOKER."


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