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laughing_tree ([personal profile] laughing_tree) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2017-06-07 10:04 am

Teen Titans Special: "The Lazarus Contract, Finale"



My pitch for this (I’ve been pushing for it for nearly a year) was to revisit “The Judas Contract,” Marv Wolfman and George Perez’s defining story arc of the New Teen Titans. We were going to J.J. Abrams the thing in order to build a firewall around the original story–so it can never be retconned or ignored–while re-telling it with the post-Rebirth continuity.

But the old continuity was just a mess. Cyborg was never a Titan. Starfire, Raven– it was terribly difficult to sort all of that out. My preference was to not bother; just show blocks of the original story with the original cast without explaining why Cyborg is now a founding member of the Justice League and never a Titan.

As I see it, both DC and Marvel (but especially DC) wastes way too much time on process stories. I’m tired of reading process stories– stories that explain why this character is now wearing a red hat instead of a yellow one. Who cares. Entertain me.

Comics fans aren’t idiots and, sadly, they aren’t kids anymore. Rather than go through the whole Rebirth thing, and what seems to be endless process stories being written ever since, I’d simply have had Batman turn to camera, breaking the fourth wall, and be honest with the DC comics fan: “We fucked up.” Now, on with our show.

Comics should be Good Stories Well Told. That’s it. Personally, am not entertained by all of these comics that invest multi-issue story arcs explaining the red hat/yellow hat thing. I don’t care. I’m 56 years old, I understand things have changed.

Somewhere along the way we’ve stopped entertaining and gotten morosely engaged with this continuity stuff. Continuity exists to serve the stories, not the other way around.

Ultimately, because of the varying events both past and upcoming, it proved impossible to do the JJ thing, so editor Antone came up with the next best thing. “Lazarus…” walks right up to the Judas Contract and knocks on the door, but we don’t fully go there because, honestly, we couldn’t.


-- Christopher J. Priest

The main story, scripted by Priest, penciled by Paul Pelletier:











The Titans and Teen Titans follow Deathstroke back in time and run into the past Titans:



























"Aftermath," scripted by Ben Percy, penciled by Khoi Pham:



"Damage Report," scripted by Dan Abnett, penciled by Brett Booth:

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[personal profile] beyondthefringe 2017-06-07 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Damn, that was harsh, even for Damien.
Poor Wally (I). He always gets crapped on. I hope this can be fixed.
Poor Wally (II). He was just trying to do the right thing.

I think I like this new Aqualad as shown here.
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[personal profile] starwolf_oakley 2017-06-07 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
On this board I've said that, no matter how professional he says he is, Slade Wilson is a petty, petty man. He destroyed Bludhaven and drugged Cassandra Cain to punish Dick Grayson and Tim Drake for "taking" Rose away from him.

This story isn't about Slade being petty, but he's not dealing with this "correctly."

[personal profile] matrix_dragon 2017-06-07 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
God dammit Damian. How is it you fuck up every single thing you touch?

Also, I would pay good money for a comic that is twenty two pages of Slade Wilson, waste of human meat, getting the crap kicked out of him in a one-sided curb stomp. Preferably by his daughter, but the rest of the Titans are acceptable.
Edited 2017-06-07 06:39 (UTC)

[personal profile] thezmage 2017-06-07 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, that Aqualad sounds nothing at all like the one from the show.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2017-06-07 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
It's a fairly entertaining story, though it does throw one too many supersuits with bizarre powers that I'd never heard of before (like Slade's suit manipulating gravity).

What struck me though was just how completely unlikeable Damian is with his team. Why would ANYONE follow this kid who is ultra violent and completely unsympathetic. I get it, he has a chip on his shoulder at the best of times, but here he appears to have a bag of chips.
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[personal profile] zapbiffpow 2017-06-07 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
Rather than go through the whole Rebirth thing, and what seems to be endless process stories being written ever since, I’d simply have had Batman turn to camera, breaking the fourth wall, and be honest with the DC comics fan: “We fucked up.” Now, on with our show.

Y'know, I seriously don't think the fans would like that, and it'd end up ranking alongside SBP punching a hole the multiverse, but it's still a pretty hilarious idea in theory. I can see Batman on a Late Show desk, doing an Alan Moore nine-panel.

Also, loved this crossover! Nice to see everyone interacting with everyone.

[personal profile] aeopile 2017-06-07 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Continuity exists to serve the stories, not the other way around.

I'm a strong advocate for respecting continuity, and I think Mr. Priest has this a little off.

Continuity serves character development.
Strong character development serves the story.

So really, it becomes a debate of status quo vs. growth. If writers want to treat the DC Universe like an episode of the Simpsons, or Star Trek Voyager, where the status quo is either restored by end of the episode (Voyager), or past stories are more or less ignored (Simpsons) - that's fine, I get that.

Or if they want it to be like serialized television, where characters have arcs, and the status quo does change, that's fine, I get that (and generally that is the type of story telling I prefer).

It is up to the editors to decide what they want the universe to be... and for the writers to respect this. I think the challenge for the publisher is they really want to have their cake and eat it too.

You must buy this story, everything will change!
vs.
To enjoy this story, you don't need to know anything about past stories!

I quit reading comics with the New 52, I looked at it as being a great stopping point. As a DC fanboy, I was slowly becoming more and more unhappy with the general rolling back to the silver age status quo (Hal Jordan I stomached, Barry Allen really bothered me). But I did follow the buzz about it, and check in here weekly. It really felt like DC wanted it both ways, and no one was really happy.

I think the target that comics should be shooting for is stories that lead to an easy to understand status quo change or eventually return to status quo, but can be referenced. For example, the death of superman. I enjoyed the story. It put everything back to status quo when finished... but can affect Superman as a character (dude, you died!). Or Superman post-rebirth, and all the baggage he had with him originally, and how it is slowly going back to status quo.

The original death of Jason Todd, did change the status quo, but a reader could be caught up in a quick expository dialogue (Joker killed Robin, and since then Bruce has had trouble accepting a new partner).


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[personal profile] shadowpsykie 2017-06-07 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
guess that explains Deathstroke's Titans Team?
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[personal profile] thatnickguy 2017-06-07 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
All this time travel and reshuffling of continuity is giving me a headache.

See also: Jon being shoe-horned into Superman continuity.
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[personal profile] theflames 2017-06-08 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
I get his sentiment but christ continuity isn't that hard, if you make a concept that doesn't fit within the current continuity, tweak it until is t does. If you can't, it might not be that great.

And if it is that great? Make it an Elseworld story and call it a night.

But here he wants his story to be *in* continuity with all the new stuff, but without having to deal with continuity of the context the new stuff exists in. That sounds like a 'having it both ways' type of deal.

Anywho he's right about the process story thing.

[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com 2017-06-08 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
Ten bucks Damien is never held responsible for his actions. Why is he a hero again?
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[personal profile] jaxjyls 2017-06-08 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
I call BS on Wally's pacemaker, don't speedsters have super healing? Didn't Barry once regrow all his skin?

Also very OOC Damian
Edited 2017-06-08 04:48 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sarahnewlin 2017-06-08 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Are Aqualad and Joseph going to hook up?
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[personal profile] silverhammerman 2017-06-09 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not a usually a Damian Wayne hater, but dang. He comes off pretty poorly here, and there absolutely need to be some actual consequence down the line in terms of character dynamics for that to mean anything.