Date: 2017-06-15 05:45 am (UTC)
chalicother: Chalicothere (Default)
From: [personal profile] chalicother
So why is Black Cat still evil...?

Also Marvel Synergy...

Date: 2017-06-15 02:46 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I agree. the idea of the Defenders, as opposed to the Avengers, seems like a cool idea... hell if it gives Jessica more time in comics, I am all for it.

also she healed up pretty fast...

Date: 2017-06-15 05:18 pm (UTC)
leoboiko: manga-style picture of a female-identified person with long hair, face not drawn, putting on a Japanese fox-spirit max (Default)
From: [personal profile] leoboiko
She's having a hard time keeping up with DC to, er, copycat whatever Selina's doing.

Date: 2017-06-17 07:07 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Next up, shocking marriage proposal from Spidey.


Date: 2017-06-15 05:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Oh hi Marvel Knights, do keep the team name warm when the real Defenders return Kay.

Date: 2017-06-15 08:50 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Marvel Knights isn't an actual team name. Probably would have worked better with a Heroes for Hire joke.

And "real" Defenders? There's been several different versions of the Defenders, not all of them with Hulk, Strange, Namor or Silver Surfer.

In fact, Iron Fist and Luke Cage have been part of the Defenders before.

Date: 2017-06-16 12:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
That is true, I keep forgetting the team changes rosters on avregular basis.

For me I consider the real team when it was Dr. Strange, Hulk, Valkyrie, Nighthawk and Hellcat.

Date: 2017-06-16 01:20 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
That certainly was one of the best versions of the Defenders. If not THE best.

Date: 2017-06-16 03:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
That was the team back when I started reading too, though I was aware that Namor and the Surfer were founding members no longer present.

Most of the various iterations of the team have Strange as the common factor; he was the one that became aware of whatever menace the regular super-teams weren't suited for and gathered a collection of loners and oddballs to deal with it instead.

Date: 2017-06-15 05:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sarahnewlin
Much as I love everyone except Finn Jones, is this correlated with the Netflix show

Date: 2017-06-15 07:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mizerous
Felicia: You're actually hurting Luke Cage. My god this is extreme even for me despite the fact I killed Diamondhead.

Date: 2017-06-15 08:51 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Diamondhead is alive, Quill and Shocker saved him.

Date: 2017-06-15 08:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bizarrohulk
"I've been thinking about your bulletproof ass ... and all the holes in it."

We're not doing "phrasing!" anymore?

Date: 2017-06-15 05:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ovaltinepatrol
He's been thinking about the holes in his ass for years.

Date: 2017-06-16 04:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mesmiranda
Okay, but I don't know if bullets and holes and asses is a place we really wanna go to.

Date: 2017-06-15 12:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
" Dumb move, coming at me like that.

" Like Robert's Rules of Order say.. wait, no. That's not what I meant. "

Date: 2017-06-15 01:20 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
"Wow, I'm sure glad they cancelled Walker's Power Man and Iron Fist", he said sarcastically.

Date: 2017-06-15 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
was it cancelled? (rather than just... ending) because as soon as it ended they launched "Luke Cage" and "Iron Fist" solos and announced this book.

Date: 2017-06-15 05:45 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
Eh, To-MAY-to, To-MAH-To, if you ask me. When the same writer suddenly switches to a comic with a 'more thoughtful' take on the character, they've basically be cancelled and rebooted. Especially at issue 16, which seems an odd ending point for a run (unless they're going to pad some trades or something).

And unlike the constant claims of 'movie synergy' which I generally find over-blown, clearly here they're leaning in HARD to the Netflix material.

Date: 2017-06-15 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Fair enough.

I kinda have to disagree with the latter, though. The netflix material took plenty of inspiration from Bendis work on the characters so having Bendis as the writer will naturally make it have the same feeling as the netflix material.
(mind you, there IS synergy at play here, but i doubt the editorial mandate was "make it like the netflix shows")

Date: 2017-06-15 06:43 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
That's a pretty reasonable point. Bendis IS responsible for a lot of the work done on three of the characters, so I guess he's not out of left field, here. I think I'm more feeling the vibe visually than anything else.

Date: 2017-06-15 09:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehood
Actually, Luke Cage, Daredevil and Iron Fight have been with the Defenders at one point or another. So even the name makes sense on the level of having former members at least.

Date: 2017-06-15 02:48 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
so why does Black Cat even care? she has shown little to no care for heroes in recent times. why does THIS matter to her.

Date: 2017-06-15 04:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
This is Willis Stryker? The poison gas fits, but since when is he strong enough to ram Luke Cage through floors?

Date: 2017-06-15 04:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan

Well, the ending of Luke Cage's show had them implying Diamondback was going to get Luke's powers, so maybe that's what's Bendis is going with?

Because clearly the best villain in Luke Cage was Diamondback's whiny ass and not the complex and charismatic Cottonmouth. Clearly.

Date: 2017-06-15 05:29 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
or, the poison weakens Luke (from the inside out).

Date: 2017-06-15 05:51 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
For my money, Black Mariah was an equally compelling character (and the show felt like her rise to power). Also: Shades was pretty great.

Date: 2017-06-17 07:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Mariah and Shades should have picked up the slack if they couldn't keep the pretty fantastic Mahershala Ali around for more than six episodes or so. They could easily have kept up the more socio-political elements of the show Cottonmouth kept on bringing up with his dynamic opposite Luke, just with a slightly different slant.

Diamondback was just... Meh. We traded interesting commentary on the Harlem community for a standard 'evil brother'-style archetype.

Date: 2017-06-16 05:46 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Cottonmouth was in Power Man and Iron Fist.

Date: 2017-06-15 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Blatant synergy aside... this actually seems... better than most of Bendis' recent work.

-"We need to up our game"-
... hmm. Well, that'll never go wrong for Matt.
After all, the last time he decided to get super-serious about crime fighting, he only took over the Hand, got possessed by a demon and started murderising folk.
I'm sure this time, he'll just be drawn into slightly strange adventures with a dysfunctional team, with no hideous unintended consequences whatsoever.
... wasn't he wearing red-on-black during Shadowland too?

Date: 2017-06-16 03:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
These particular characters and the street crime they tend to deal with are right in his wheelhouse. The Avengers and Asgardians and cosmic adventures REALLY aren't. (Though I will give him that his takes on Kitty Pryde and Iceman worked much better than I'd anticipated.)

Date: 2017-06-15 09:05 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
"You've been alive all these years?"-Er, Luke? You've known people that have come back from the dead, why are you assuming he was faking?

I also found it weird that Luke assumed Jess was talking about Stryker when she said Diamondback attacked her. Since he seemed convinced Stryker was dead and there have been other villains called Diamondback, whom he has met.

That aside, not a bad first issue.
Edited Date: 2017-06-15 09:07 pm (UTC)


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