Date: 2017-06-21 03:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crinos
Are you fucking serious?

Was anyone seriously asking for a Grim and Gritty version of Volstagg? Seriously?

Fucking seriously?

We're going with this. Seriously. Seriously.

SERIOUSLY.

Date: 2017-06-21 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Funny thing is... this may make Volstag more accurate to Myth!Thor than Odinson...

ALso, this makes that one scene in She-Hulk about "thors" and "hulks" all the funnier...
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Date: 2017-06-21 08:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I don't think I care about classical mythological accuracy here anymore than I do in Wonder Woman. This is bloody VOLSTAGG!! they're grim-ifying.... The one damn CHEERY Asgardian with a happy family life.

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Date: 2017-06-21 03:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
This was solicited with a white-bearded War Thor.

Well played.

(Also well played: A Thor with a red beard.)

Date: 2017-06-21 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Yeah. I think my prediction was either Odin (Maybe hitting rock bottom or something) or maybe DOnald Blake... I really did not expect volstagg...

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Date: 2017-06-22 04:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
Not just the white beard. In the solicits, War Thor's right eye was shadowed, implying that maybe he didn't have one.

Date: 2017-06-21 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
So Aaron's still pushing the bit about Thor being a title over an actual name.

Date: 2017-06-21 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
when the "Thor Corps" is a thing that exists (And i don't mean Secret War's), i think it is fair to call it a title...

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Yes!!!! And Thank You!

Date: 2017-06-22 04:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deepspaceartist
I agree with you. Passing on codenames is fine, but treating someone's real name as if it was a codename or title is just weird, god or not. Let's say you have this friend named John Smith, who gets fired from their job. Then the person who is hired to replace your friend shows up wearing your friends clothes, acting like your friend, and insisting you call them John Smith. It would be weird and uncomfortable as hell. I'm honestly surprised any of the heroes who are friends with Thor trusted Jane to any degree.

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Date: 2017-06-21 03:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spider_man6
Interesting.

Date: 2017-06-21 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] astrakhan42
I like that the kids are a Power Pack easter egg (if in hair only).

Date: 2017-06-21 08:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The Power Pack analogues who then die horrible, pointless, agonising deaths? That sort of easter egg I can live without

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Date: 2017-06-21 03:58 pm (UTC)
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After a tragic loss, our title character who is normally a jovial, adventurous sort, is now reborn as a hard edged bloke ready to do what is needed to prevail in times of war. He's not who he was, but now he's... the War Doctor.

Wait, I meant War Thor. War Thor!

Date: 2017-06-21 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
"He's making Doctor Who references at you!"
"THAT IS A LIE! I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO TOM BAKER IS!

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Date: 2017-06-21 03:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
but did they HAVE to do this to Volstaag to do it?!?!?! they didn't have to burn up children... just having his friend become Unworthy and New Thor being away, or locked out of Asgard should have been enough....

Date: 2017-06-21 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Coming soon: an epic team-up between 60s Thor, Simonson-era Thor, Lady Thor, Grim'n'Gritty Future Thor, War Thor, Ultimate Thor and Thor Thor Thor of Thor, the Fourth!


... but in all serious, when did Ultimate Thor's hammer work like that?
(Per "Ultimate Thor", by Jonathan Hickman, Ult Thor's hammer wasn't the actual Mjolnir, just your regular weather-generating, teleportation capable hammer.)
So why... urgh. Never mind. It's Jason Aaron. The answer would only confuse and irritate further.

Date: 2017-06-21 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
It's not the Mjolnir he had by the end of the Ultimate Universe, it is the one U!Thor used during "Secret Wars" and given to him by Doom. Like all the other Thors in that story, he had a proper Mjolnir.
When he died during the final battle and the Universe was restored, his Mjolnir reached the new Universe.

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Date: 2017-06-21 05:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrosa
Who else noticed that the cover is a ref to Thor vol.1 #337?

Date: 2017-06-21 08:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Me! :)

Date: 2017-06-21 05:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goattoucher
If Volstagg is Worthy to wield Mjolnir, he can't be driven by mere anger or thirst for revenge. He is a jovial character, and part of that has always been that his fatherhood means that he has a soft spot for children. To have the children he was trying to save killed by the evil forces spreading across the land drives him to make war on those forces by taking up the Mantle of Thor, but remember that he is motivated to make war in the name of protecting the innocent that those objectively evil forces would destroy.

It's less morally nuanced than what we're used to dealing with in the real world, but this is Asgard: a land where Myth is made manifest.

I am excited to see how this plays out. If you think the Big Man won;t be cracking jokes with other Thors before too long, you're kidding yourself.

Date: 2017-06-21 08:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Leaving aside the weirdness of "Thor" somehow being a title that can be acquired rather than a birthname, if he was the Justice Thor, or Nemesis Thor, I might be more inclined to give that benefit of the doubt, but War implies destruction, rather than balancing the scales.

If he does end up cracking jokes, it will be very odd, since he's motivated by the death of children.

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Date: 2017-06-21 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
I get the feeling that I'm in the minority, but I like this. Recall that Volstagg was not worthy to lift Mjolnir when it was on the moon. He only became worthy (of a different Mjolnir) after watching children in his care get slaughtered.

It's long been implied that Volstaag was once a great warrior, but age and fatherhood have rendered him slothful. Dead kids would enrage anyone, especially someone with a daddy mindset. So the rage doesn't make him worthy per se. Rather, the rage burns away the inertia that kept Volstagg from being worthy.

Mostly though, I like the idea of a daddy hero. We middle-aged father types like to see ourselves represented too! :)

Date: 2017-06-21 07:51 pm (UTC)
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I like this interpretation - where he used to be a total badass but settled into being fat and happy and cares more about his family and being a dad. Kinda like Robert Baratheon except not at all

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Date: 2017-06-21 07:01 pm (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
No worries everyone - when the War of the Realms is over he'll go to one side and start turning into Christopher Ecclestone...

Date: 2017-06-21 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Yeah, but the writing and art will fluctuate wildly between "good" and "ehhmm".

Date: 2017-06-21 07:47 pm (UTC)
doctor_spanky: (Default)
From: [personal profile] doctor_spanky
Hahahaha oh it was Volstagg! Okay

It seems like every couple years Marvel tries to give him all this tortured depth or whatever (like when they had him be the scapegoat for Seige) but it never sticks. Hopefully this doesn't either, or if he's gonna be a Thor hopefully he's still delightful

Ugh god those knuckle spikes

Date: 2017-06-21 08:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ovaltinepatrol
The cover reminds me of a 90s-era cover with Blood Axe. Maybe it's been done with other Thor covers?

Date: 2017-06-21 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
It's drawn identically to the cover of the issue that introduced Beta Ray Bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Ray_Bill

Date: 2017-06-21 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lonewolf23k
To people worried about Volstagg's characterization, let's keep in mind this is the START of this story arc, which will most likely involve Odinson and Thor having to reach out to Volstagg to pull him away from this self-destructive path.

Date: 2017-06-21 08:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
My concern isn't just about the characterisation, it's about the authorial choice to use Volstagg as the character to do this story about in the first place.

Date: 2017-06-22 04:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
Sooo... it's not quite a "Break the Cutie" moment, since this is Volstagg we're talking about. Maybe, "Break the Bear?"

And as horrible as the death of children is, at least it was some random elf-kids and not, say, Hildy.

Date: 2017-06-22 08:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
Maybe I should give Jason Aaron's Thor run another try- NOPE, never mind.

Why would you do this to Volstagg of all people? What did he do to deserve this? And so much for something pleasant coming from Ultimate Thor's hammer...

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