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SECRET EMPIRE 4 may be our best-received issue to date, because a) Leinil Yu is a god, b) Hank Pym is the most interesting Marvel character. -- Nick Spencer

Date: 2017-06-28 02:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Hank Pym is the most interesting Marvel character.

Really? Hank? He might be interesting if it was actually clear what his current status quo is.

Date: 2017-06-28 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Yeah, Hank is super interesting ... just not THIS Hank.

Date: 2017-06-28 03:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rainspirit
I kind of dig this, actually. I always love a good underdog and anti-hero. Or maybe anti-villain. Something.

Date: 2017-06-28 04:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sarahnewlin
Figured he'd go for the woman beater. Ugh

Date: 2017-06-28 09:18 am (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
To be fair, that was brought up so Hank Pym could actually point out how unfair that description is.

Date: 2017-06-28 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aperturedreams
I know Nick Spencer has said many controversial things but implying he supports beating women just because he wanted to write a character who did so once is a little much. Not to mention a little ironic given that his most controversial statement is about not punching someone who people thought deserved it (the whole punching a nazi business on Twitter).

Date: 2017-06-28 03:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chalicother
I really liked Avengers Academy Hank and from what I saw Avengers AI Hank. I liked his relationship with Tigra and was curious what his relationship with William was. Hank and Janet work best as separate characters . From what I see Janet really benefits not having Hank around. Should there be mentioning of there history , yes....but it should not be used as the characters selling point.

Date: 2017-06-28 09:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I actually like when Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne are together, and miss when they were married (though that's largely because I'm saddened that comic book marriages seldom stay permanent).
Edited Date: 2017-06-28 09:30 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-06-29 08:49 am (UTC)
jekylls_salvation: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
For a good reason. It's like if cops married, times 10. Terrible idea,

Date: 2017-06-29 08:55 am (UTC)
jekylls_salvation: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
In the world of Se7en. Times 10.

It would be another Ralph and Sue Dibny every other month.

Date: 2017-07-01 05:37 pm (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
What's wrong with police marrying? Didn't Sue and Ralph have a relatively happy life together?
Edited Date: 2017-07-01 05:40 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-03 03:20 am (UTC)
jekylls_salvation: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
Because times 10.

Happy relative to... the inevitable rape and murder?

Date: 2017-06-28 04:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Okay, look.
Hydra Cap is still awful. This entire storyline has a lot of awful bits to it.
But this issue?
Fucking brilliant.
Because Pymtron -calls the Avengers out on their bullshit- from the past decade plus. He calls them on their hypocrisy, arrogance, in-fighting, hubris, and personal crap. Civil War 1, Civil War 2, House of M, Disassembled--all of it, in a way no one really has.
And when he's done? He gets called out on his bullshit, but we get a feel for how hypocritical everyone has been where he's concerned. Why does everyone else get infinite do-overs and chances, while Hank can't escape the stigma of one bad moment?

Several years from now, Steve will be Captain America the Pure again, and they'll still be calling Hank a wifebeater. Thor will be worthy, Tony will be sober, awake, and up to his usual stuff... and Hank will always be a wifebeater.

So yeah, seeing this "family dinner" scene? Pass the popcorn.

Though it's a shame Black Ant wasn't there for 3 generations of Ant-Man. :)

Date: 2017-06-28 04:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sarahnewlin
Poor Wanda keeps getting her past actions thrown in her face.

Date: 2017-06-28 11:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mesmiranda
Well, it's not like we could let anything happen to the flagship heroes. Those guys sell movies, you know.

Date: 2017-06-28 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
And it doesn't help that the infamous panel was as bad as it was because of a miscommunication between writer and artist. And even more than that, everyone always ignores that Hank was, at the time, in the middle of being heavily gaslighted and generally screwed over by a supervillain plot. Nope, let's just treat him like he's Ultimate Hank Pym, and tell him how horrible he is! Lather, rinse, repeat.

On another topic, Lienil Yu is not a god, and his art never fails to annoy me. At least this time, no ones eye sockets reach to the back of their skulls.

Date: 2017-06-28 12:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] qalchemist
I'm with you, beyondthefringe.

I really liked this, and I thought they all deserved that talk.

Date: 2017-06-28 04:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
I loved seeing both sides told off! They're so smug and arrogant and hypocritical, it was fun to see Ultron throw it in their faces.

It sickens me to see the character assassination of Hank Pym over the years. As people have pointed out, there were mitigating circumstances surrounding that 'wife-beater' moment, including miscommunication between writer and artist. If Hank continued to hit Janet at every opportunity, he'd deserve the label, because wife-beaters hit, apologize, hit again, apologize again...did Hank ever hit Janet more than once? Once is bad, but if he was being gaslighted? It's like 'Hank the Wife-beater' is just easy shorthand for a complex moment, and believe me, I don't excuse batterers, but this seems more than that. *shrugs*

Date: 2017-06-28 05:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
It doesn't help when Hank's ugly alternate version from Ultimates makes it a thousand times worse.

At least 616 sent himself to jail to pay for his own mistakes

Date: 2017-06-28 11:50 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (wonder woman (boldly delicious))
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
Ultimates Hank: ugh!

Date: 2017-06-29 09:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
His only redemption was death by Multiple Man. Even than he should have died off earlier.

Date: 2017-06-29 10:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrosa
What was this miscommunication between writer and artist?

Date: 2017-06-29 12:10 pm (UTC)
tigerkaya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Long story short, Jim Shooter wanted a dramatic scene where Yellowjacket down his luck than Wasp would come in to try and comfort him but in comic dramatics Hank would raise his arms in the air in frustration "accidentally" being the key word hitting Wasp.

But Bob Hall misinterpreted the meaning and went with the infamous panel for a more dramatic effect

Date: 2017-06-28 04:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sarahnewlin
Deja vu?

I'm thoroughly confused. I thought Black Widow, Magneto, and Emma Frost were going to save Steve, no?

Date: 2017-06-28 05:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Holy crap Marvel just let Hank die, limbo is more preferable than secret empire and whatever the #$@% is this bullshit you got from that hack Remender.
I lost hope from Marvel improving Hank deciding to ignore all the character improvement he's had after such great titles as Academy and A.I. frankly limbo is heaven at this point.

Just stick to writing the adorable adventures of the new Wasp.

Date: 2017-06-29 08:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
I think they should just let him be Pym. He's been just Pym before. It was fine. It worked.

Date: 2017-06-29 09:02 am (UTC)
tigerkaya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
From his West Coast Avengers days? I would like that actually.

Date: 2017-06-28 05:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
"Tony made his fortune making and selling weapons, which was bad."

Still confuses me. Who else could Tony or Howard Stark sell to other than the US military? Yes, the bad guys getting Stark weapons was the problem, but in the comics, it was never Tony's direct fault.

Date: 2017-06-28 06:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
Apparently, selling weapons at all is bad.

Date: 2017-06-28 07:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] onsokumaru
I guess the bad guys pointed here ARE the US military.

Date: 2017-07-01 05:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I think he was trying to use Tony Stark as a sort of 'Lord of War'-esque figure, where the titular character didn't really care about who got hurt as long as he made a tidy profit.

Date: 2017-06-28 07:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
No points for guessing what Tony said after that one panel, I guess.

Date: 2017-06-28 11:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
I'll repost it from the other thread because it's the truth:

I'm so down with Avengers soap opera superpowered drunk dirty-laundry talk show drama bickering!

Date: 2017-06-28 11:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scelestus
Man, you know you're doing something wrong when friggin' ULTRON is the voice of reason.

Date: 2017-06-28 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] remial
fucking motto!

Date: 2017-06-29 09:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
That reminds me of this What If comic in the 90s. The world gets terraformed, like Manhattan is covered with jungle brush and dinosaurs are running around in central park, and the Avengers have been reduced to a rescue team. Tony doesn't have technology anymore etc. Anyway, Frank Castle is on the team. But the world being terraformed sort of shifted his goals. He becomes kind of a pacifist (except for killing dinosaurs). Hawkeye or someone at one point says "You know the world's turned upside down when the Punisher is your voice of reason."

Given Marvel's penchant for making every What If happen in the mainstream universe now, I figure it's only a matter of time.

Date: 2017-06-29 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
This was supposed to be interesting?


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