Date: 2017-07-26 08:03 pm (UTC)
deepspaceartist: Iron Man mark 43 (Default)
From: [personal profile] deepspaceartist
The only copy and paste art I see here is the panels of Victor's helmet. And that seems fair because it's a metal helmet, there are no expressions to change between panels. When it's actual people, even when their expressions don't change between panels, it's clearly different art.

Date: 2017-07-26 02:58 pm (UTC)
leoboiko: manga-style picture of a female-identified person with long hair, face not drawn, putting on a Japanese fox-spirit max (Default)
From: [personal profile] leoboiko
Would a poor Roma boy living in the country really feel that strongly about killing a rabbit? One would think they'd routinely hunt and kill rabbits to eat; and, when you live without butcheries, you kind of take animal violence for granted. I come from the countryside and grew up watching kind ol' grandma decapitate chickens and whatnot; and many of my peers would kill birds with slingshots just for fun (I now find the practice horrendous, and am glad I never engaged in it; but at the time, I very much could have, if I wasn't such a little nerd.)

I suppose we are to imagine (as per ensuing dialogue) that young Victor had an unusual level of empathy, enough to rise above his social environment and recognize the bunny's agency and pain, and his mother's education was responsible for stymieing this boyish empathy? I'm no expert on Marvel continuity, but I have the impression that this isn't really how both of them have been portrayed in the past, is it?

Date: 2017-07-26 03:47 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Bendis isn't an expert on Marvel continuity either.

FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #2 said that Victor didn't know his mother was a witch until he found her trunk.

Date: 2017-07-26 07:06 pm (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Didn't you know, pointing out how wrong and awful and ignorant of continuity and characters Bendis is is far more important than being correct?

Date: 2017-07-26 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Oh no, somebody's (in no way hostile or rude) criticism of Bendis's laziness and hubris is for once incorrect. Boo fucking hoo.

Date: 2017-07-26 08:15 pm (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Well thank god you're here with enough hostility for everyone.

And it's incorrect a lot of the time.

Date: 2017-07-26 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Sweetie, you were the one who started with the hostily. You acted smug and passive agressive over somebody making an innocent mistake while criticizing one of the most prolific comic writers for something he has repeadly showed to be his weakness as writer (NOT up for debate). Quit it.

Date: 2017-07-26 08:44 pm (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
You might be misreading the hostility and smug fron your own posts into others. Not a good look. And I'm not your sweetie to patronise, sorry!

Date: 2017-07-26 10:40 pm (UTC)
tigerkaya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
So we gonna get a mod to freeze this? Gotta say not a good look on the moods sleeping on the job again.

Date: 2017-07-26 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Yes, you are :-) Act like a hypocritical child, get treated as one.

Date: 2017-07-26 07:50 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Actually, that was retconed in Books of Doom.

Date: 2017-07-26 07:06 pm (UTC)
joetuss: Ali (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
Maybe he couldn't justify killing a Rabbit for anything other than to eat it

Date: 2017-07-26 03:41 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I hope this won't lead to flashbacks where we find out Werner Von Doom was a rotten person as well.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/vondoomwerner.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/vondoomcynthia.htm

Date: 2017-07-26 04:40 pm (UTC)
shakalooloo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
Chthon will appear if summoned by the sacrifice of a single rabbit. Times must be tough. Rorkannu suddenly makes a lot more sense.
Edited (Mis-spelled name!) Date: 2017-07-26 04:40 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-27 04:47 am (UTC)
burkeonthesly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly
Hey, do you know how many rabbits you can get for one hundred of the Earth dollars?

Date: 2017-07-26 08:24 pm (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Sooo... no discussion of how Vic's mom isn't his mom, or at least not the mom from that opening rabbit-sacrifice scene? That was kinda an important plot point, no?

Well let me get that ball rolling: who is Cynthia if she isn't Vic's mom? My first thought was that she was 1610-Cynthia, but she doesn't speak in Ultimate lettering.

Date: 2017-07-26 09:43 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Why would it be Ultimates Cynthia? Especially since there wasn't an Ultimate Cynthia.

Plus she mentions events that happened to the 616 Cynthia.

Date: 2017-07-27 01:30 am (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
My first thought was dismissed a second later, as I was looking at the Maker and Cynthia's conversation (in different fonts) when I had it. I didn't even get to whether there was an Ultimate Cynthia or not. :/

And my half-assed idea was just meant to get the conversation started. Does no one have any theories as to who this Cynthia is? A version from a non-Ultimate reality? A clone? Mindwiped by the Maker? Possessed by a demon? Created by Molecule Man? Etc.

Date: 2017-07-27 07:17 pm (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Maybe. But then why did she fail Victor's test about the bunnies/frogs? It sounded like that wasn't intentional on her part.

One possibility is that she simply forgot, because she didn't actually care much about Victor until he became useful for a yet-to-be-revealed reason. I really like that as an explanation, particularly given how much Victor has always cared about his mother. But I'm dubious the writers would choose that over a more "because comics" explanation.

Date: 2017-07-27 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Like I said below, I suspect Richards set out to fix all the stuff he perceived to have made Doom bad. Face, mother in Hell, madness (I dont think its a coincidence that Doom refers to the quality of his though processes).

Reed just doesn't have the sort of mind that would suspect that Victors mother might be a bad person.

Date: 2017-07-27 02:25 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Except the Reed showing up here isn't 616 Reed, this is evil Reed/The Maker. I doubt he cares.

Also, Cynthia wasn't bad at all in her previous appearances.
Edited Date: 2017-07-27 02:28 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-27 04:50 am (UTC)
burkeonthesly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly
Wasn't this universe re-created by Franklin Richards? We saw when he created the Heroes Reborn Earth that his youthful imagination tended to color details, sometimes. Maybe he half-remembered "Doom's mom was a witch" from somewhere, and in slipped all his vague half-held notions of what a witch ought to be?

Date: 2017-07-27 07:57 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
You mean the post Secret Wars MU? Nah, it was 616 Reed and Molecule Man re-created the multiverse.

Though it could be said Reed might fall to that same trap, he never met her after all.

Date: 2017-07-28 01:03 am (UTC)
burkeonthesly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly

Huh. I really thought Franklin was involved in the universe-creation process somehow.

Date: 2017-07-28 07:25 am (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Franklin was involved at the end of Secret Wars, yes.

Date: 2017-07-27 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
You are confusing Ultimate Reed with 616 Reed. 616 Reed, who fixed Dooms face, hasnt appeared. As for Cynthia I seem to remember qute a bodycount.

Date: 2017-07-27 07:52 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Not really, since only the Maker has shown up in this book. And if you remember the body count, you should remember the context.

After all, that body count did prevent her from entering heaven when Doom and Strange saved her soul.

Date: 2017-07-28 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
You got to remember the history of the character, not just the last run. When 616 was recreated, the first thing Doom discovered was that Richards had fixed his face. (And he always tries to do a face turn when his face gets fixed. ) The fact that Reed fixed his face is a pretty big part of the characters immediate past. Also -Reeds absence has been a pretty explicit part of the book. His absence affects things.

I am not sure why the fact that we have not seen Reed is supposed to mean that fixing Dooms face was the only change he wrought in Victors life.

As for Mrs. Doom, she is a witch who dealt with demonic forces like Mephisto and Cthon and seem to have done so with some carelessness. Leading to a large loss of life. After which she has spent half a lifetime in Hell. I think there is considerable justification for assuming she might not be the best of people.

Date: 2017-07-26 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Pretty sure Richards set things up differently for Victor when he recreated 616. He fixed his face, and made him sane, as he defines sane. And he put his mother back.

Richards is not highly socially adept. I don't think he actually considered what kind of person Dooms mother was, or how much power she might have.

Date: 2017-07-26 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Maybe that was part of it? But I think Dooms mother being back is part of a trend of stuff Richards figures made Doom a villain being fixed.

Got to say though -the maker is the perfect villain from reformed Doom!

Date: 2017-07-27 07:11 pm (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Part of it was acknowledging that Reed would have made a better God. But I seem to remember Victor saying that he didn't like being God.

Victor has always been defined by his lust for power. To discover he doesn't actually want that power might cause some serious re-evaluation. Kinda like those kids that are convinced they want to be doctors, go through all that education, then discover that-- holy shit! They hate practicing medicine!

Date: 2017-07-28 05:34 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
As Karla Soften said early in THUNDERBOLTS: "Who would want to rule the world anyway? Who would want to do that much WORK?!?"

Profile

scans_daily: (Default)
Scans Daily

Extras

Founded by girl geeks and members of the slash fandom, [community profile] scans_daily strives to provide an atmosphere which is LGBTQ-friendly, anti-racist, anti-ableist, woman-friendly and otherwise discrimination and harassment free.

Bottom line: If slash, feminism or anti-oppressive practice makes you react negatively, [community profile] scans_daily is probably not for you.

Please read the community ethos and rules before posting or commenting.

October 2017

S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 2425262728
293031    

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags