Date: 2017-08-02 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
Now she anglicizes her first name, and ...

Date: 2017-08-02 10:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehood
Nadia is already Russian for "Hope though.

Date: 2017-08-02 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aperturedreams
Why is it that Tony Stark helped start both Civil Wars and took part in all the Illuminati business, among other things, and he and other similarly morally grey characters still get to be a hero whereas Hank Pym continues to always be defined by hitting his wife? There's no excuse for that behavior but it pales in comparison to what Stark has done. Secret Empire may not be popular among many but at least #4 helped point out that hypocrisy.

Date: 2017-08-02 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
There's cartoonishly evil stuff like cloning Thor and then there's actions that could and do happen every day in real life.

It's like how fans hate Umbridge more than Voldemort. No-nose has done objectively worse things but Umbridge's abuse resonates more because it's relatable.
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Date: 2017-08-03 02:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crinos
Yeah, its the same reason they did that 9/11 comic where a bunch of villains, many of whom had committed atrocities far greater than blowing up the world trade center, cried over 9/11.

To cite a more recent example than Umbridge, On the show Steven Universe, Steven has had exposure to intergalactic tyrants and murderous thugs who have tried to murder him and his family. But the person whom he reserves special loathing for? Kevin. A jerkass who got really creepy and clingy on Stevonnie (A fusion of Steven and his friend Connie, it makes sense in context) at a dance. (interestingly enough, when they encountered him again, they learned the same thing Janet was talking about in the above scans: not letting yourself be defined by the people that hurt you and not letting them have that control over you. Such good lessons popular media is teaching nowadays).

Date: 2017-08-02 10:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastiff

Because that hit resonates with readers who have suffered abuse, or know someone who has. I don't know a single person who has started a civil war or turned out to be a skrull, but I do know a few in abusive relationships where the abuser convinced them to stay silent and "suck it up".

For years that hit was glossed over, until enough people related their own stories of abuse and said this should no longer be normalized. In short, there's an personal, emotional connection that doesn't exist with Illuminati tales.
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Date: 2017-08-02 10:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehood
Exactly, most readers have never had a friend create a clone of them behind their back, but many readers have probably gone through or know someone that has gone through domestic abuse.

At least here we have Janet say she doesn't think Hank Pym is evil and acknowledges his mental illness.

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Date: 2017-08-03 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Has that been glossed over, though? Whenever some development happens or Hank Pym comes out looking good, someone brings up that he was an apparently abusive husband and paints him as either bad or irredeemable. I feel like she chose 'van Dyne' as a surname less from of her respect for Wasp and more because she doesn't like Hank anymore.

Hitting anyone is bad enough, but Hank Pym (a)only hit Janet once, while (b)under great emotional distress and/or mental influence while (c) in the midst of a nervous breakdown, (d)felt terrible about the action and tried since then to redeem himself, and (e)never did anything like that before nor did he do anything like that again to either Janet or any of his other lovers.

I don't mind this being brought up, but I'm annoyed that whenever that happens everything else he did that was good or great gets wiped away or forgotten, and he's just remembered as a wife-beater.

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Date: 2017-08-03 04:22 am (UTC)
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He had a chemically induced mental breakdown that Wasp used to trick him into marriage.

Its is super fucking frustating. Pym used to be so damn cool but year after year decade after decade his entire story arc just became about stigmatizing the mentally ill and punishing him as a stand in for all asshole abusers.

It fucking sucks but its never going to change. A lot of very talented writers have tried and at this point I have given up hope.

Date: 2017-08-03 04:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katefan
The thing is Roger Stern did a wonderful job of putting Hank through hell during his run. Hank paid for what he did; he got framed for murder, went to prison, and Janet got her own back by laying him out. It should have ended there but nope, we keep digging up that particular corpse.

Hank was mentally unwell and no Avenger did a thing to help treat him. Then again, this was the group that didn't do a thing to help Carol Danvers during that horrible annual where she gave birth to her rapist. Or something. :/

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That wasn't an annual, that was #200.

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Re: That wasn't an annual, that was #200.

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Re: That wasn't an annual, that was #200.

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Date: 2017-08-03 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aperturedreams
All true, and though I hate to be a stickler here but mental illness isn't really caused by "chemicals" or chemical imbalances. That is unless there's something specific about Pym that I'm unaware of.

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Date: 2017-08-03 04:35 am (UTC)
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I agree explanations about relatability make sense among the fandom. But they make absolutely no sense in-universe, where everyone still harps on Hank for hitting Jan that one time. To use the Harry Potter example, that would be like the wizarding world considering Umbridge the true evil and Voldemort some misunderstood guy.

Again, that doesn't excuse Hank's actions, but hitting Jan is far from the worst thing he's done, let alone what other Avengers have done.

Date: 2017-08-03 06:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehood
But we're not talking about "In-universe", where it would be considered bad anyway considering how many heroes have dealt with abuse, like Bruce Banner with his father Brian or even Steve Rogers with his father.

Date: 2017-08-03 07:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Well, Tony Stark was a stand-in for everything Marvel writers hated about George W Bush and Dick Cheney. Sadly, Hank punching Jan never became "dated."

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Date: 2017-08-02 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
This book has been surprisingly good

It's cancelled already, isn't it?

Date: 2017-08-02 10:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
This was the last issue.

I am greatly disappointed by this, because it made me smile every month. It was fun, upbeat, entertaining, positive, and hopeful. What upsets me is that it was just truly hitting its stride with characters, premise, and execution, and we don't get to see the payoff like we deserve.

Sigh. So many neat new female characters of color and more LGBTQ representation, and all we can do is hope someone else picks up the slack or gives the writer another chance with them.

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Date: 2017-08-03 02:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] informationgeek
Yep. Unstoppable Wasp was...

*puts on shades*


Date: 2017-08-03 04:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sarahnewlin
Here is hoping Michelle doesn't have short hair for the film

Date: 2017-08-03 05:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
I liked this. This was cool.

Date: 2017-08-03 06:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] malitia
I'll miss this book. :(

Date: 2017-08-03 07:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Good riddance, let the title stay cancelled.

Date: 2017-08-04 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Why must you rain on our parade? It's clear that many of those commenting genuinely enjoyed this book, so your comment is just mean-spirited, salt in the wounds of those who are sad to see it go.

Date: 2017-08-05 05:13 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-04 06:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katefan
I can't say I'm surprised the comic got canceled. I'm not impressed with the art and from what I've seen of the writing it's sub-par. Science takes years of discipline and study; check out the television series Genius to see that even Einstein needed an educational foundation. But we've got GIRL, the multi-racial all girl think tank (Was there ever an issue where Nadia approached any boy geniuses to join GIRL? I very much doubt it. I think that's called....sexism?). At least in Nadia's case there's some excuse because her background implied a high pressure environment where she was practically bred to do the science.

Who was the target audience? Were they expecting girls to snatch up this comic in droves? Comics are $3.99 a pop, man, kids aren't buying comics in all that great of numbers. Maybe if they had a YA line where the comics were cheaper they might have had more success. Maybe if the comic was less girl-power-y and more super heroic then maybe it could have lasted, appealing to a wider audience. But really, going from 37,000 sales in January to 8,000 in June doesn't come as much of a surprise.

Date: 2017-08-05 03:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Presumably the same audience which has been supporting a number of similar titles, Miss Marvel, Squirrel Girl, and Moon Girl, for respectable runs. This clearly didn't work out the way that Marvel had hoped, and they swiftly and appropriately axed the title when that became clear. In terms of dumb business practices, Marvel has much bigger problems to contend with.

You clearly didn't care for the book, and given your criticisms it probably wasn't meant for you in the first place. There are loads of books which aren't meant for me as a reader and I don't let their existence somehow offend me, because at the end of the day I don't have to read them.

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