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'Once GENERATIONS is presented as any kind of coherent "universe" or "ElseWorld", it completely falls apart. It's like looking behind the curtain and finding out who Oz really is. The "hypertime" inclusion springs directly from Alan Moore's infamous "but aren't they all" line, in reference to "imaginary stories". For some reason that became a battle cry for FAR too many over-aged, ennui-engorged "fans", people who simply could not accept the old stories for what they were -- or GENERATIONS for what it was meant to be. Sigh.' - John Byrne

Date: 2017-08-12 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
For all Byrne's... everything, he's still got good, solid storytelling instincts. Lara's turn here is logical and sobering.

A lot of authors have had to deal with their work being interpreted in ways they don't like, so I can relate when Byrne talks about that. But I'm not really sure what he means by "Once GENERATIONS is presented as any kind of coherent 'universe' or 'ElseWorld,' it completely falls apart." Does... does that mean it's not a coherent story? Are these just a series of non sequiturs? "I was aiming for incoherence?" What?

Date: 2017-08-12 10:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ozaline
Aside from cause and effect, I don't get the idea of launching multiple attacks further back in time. If the point is to hit them before they build up adequate defenses, then why not just take your whole fleet to that point?

Date: 2017-08-12 10:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ozaline
Okay that conceit makes sense for the first two Generations series which take place mostly in the past, but how does it work at all for this one which mostly takes place in the future?

Date: 2017-08-12 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Gotcha. But we already seem to be well away from that, because (to be very very very optimistic) we don't know what comics will be like in the 27th century. Seems like Byrne crossed that line as soon as he skipped ahead of actual history...

Date: 2017-08-12 04:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ovaltinepatrol
In the group shot with Wonder Woman in the center, who is the character flying above the Green Lantern?

Date: 2017-08-12 06:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
It looks a *little* like Ultra-Boy from the Legion of Superheroes.

Date: 2017-08-14 02:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wizardru
He gets really hung-up on these distinctions between 'an imaginary tale', an Elseworlds, Hyper-time and whatever else, doesn't he?

This feels a lot like his Next Men work, where he was goofing on the timeline and psychic trickery and continuity resets and so on. It got very tedious THERE and no less so here. Especially with some of the problematic elements, like sending a black woman back in time, having her become a slave, get mutilated and then live out like 20 years in that past before murdering her slave master. Not a high point.


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