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Issue #6's focus was Mr. Freeze.

It opened in Alaska, three hundred miles north of the Arctic Circle.

Batman entered a research station and saw its occupants frozen.

He heard sounds.

" Victor! "

He turned.

" What have you done? "

They swarmed around him.

His suit burned out.

He dropped to his knees.

" Welcome, Batman.. "

Mr. Freeze entered the room.

" .. to the top of the world. "

Freeze ordered his men to remove Batman's suit and take him to the center of things.

Batman tried to warn Freeze that others knew what he was planning to do, that they were coming in planes with bombs.

Freeze asked him if he knew who the cold ones around them were.

" ..

" The dead. "

Freeze said that they weren't the dead, but " The dreaming. "

They'd been people who'd put themselves into cryogenic sleep, people Freeze'd woken up to make an army of.

Freeze'd realized that he'd woken them too early when he saw how they'd awoken.

He'd heard them moan and seen them groan, and realized that the world wasn't for them yet, wasn't for his Nora yet.

He'd realized that he had to do more before he awoke her.

He pointed to his intended instrument.

His words turned to those that'd awake.

" And it'll be coming from her. From Nora. She'll be screaming when you wake her up. "

" What? "

" Nora was passionate about her work, and about dance and art.. and from what you say, she loved you for your passion. "

Batman said that that passion, that life, was what she wanted- was probably what Freeze's cold men wanted too.

Freeze disagreed.

He and his entered their protective chambers, leaving an incendiary bomb behind to open up the ice core.

He went to sleep.

He felt the bustling world cool down, grow calm.

He, Nora, and the others awoke to a cool world, a better one, a world-

- that wasn't, because he awoke out of it again, to

(Batman tore his sleeves off.)

He heard the screaming and thought it was Nora.

He turned to her.

Batman hit him.

' And it's only when being dragged back to the chamber.. '

The bombs that weren't Freeze's hit.

(The poem's Robert Frost's Fire and Ice.)

Date: 2017-09-06 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
"He had loved the first part of the poem,"

For heck's sake, it's only nine lines long...

Date: 2017-09-06 05:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Now that just seems like cherry-picking, God of Thunder. By that logic, fuck generations of haiku analysis.

To argue both sides, though, that poem indeed does not fulfill the Prerequisite Amount of Lines for Basic Poetry Analysis and Favorite Line Extraction, as mandated by the UNESCO in cooperation with the American Psychological Association and also Abner.

Date: 2017-09-06 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Well, yes, if someone pointed at a haiku and said "I always loved the wrong part of that haiku," that would also generate raised eyebrows.

For that matter, if someone told me they loved the wrong part of Hemmingway's masterpiece, so would that.
Edited Date: 2017-09-06 11:23 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-09-06 03:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Oh! Yeah, no, okay, that threw me. Most I can charge that with is moving the goalposts from a brevity issue to a wrong-choice-of-part issue, and that's assuming concrete proof, of which there's none.

So to be clear, what's the complaint here? "For heck's sake, it's only nine lines long...he could have picked a better line to be his favorite one," or "for heck's sake, it's only nine lines long...he shouldn't have a favorite line from a poem that short", or something else?

Date: 2017-09-06 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
(For what it's worth, it is a brevity issue for me... kind of. By Hemmingway's masterpiece, I'm referencing his six word story, "For Sale, Baby Shoes, Never Worn).

I think that picking apart *any* work to pull a couple favorite lines from it is probably going to result in losing something from the work as a whole. Which isn't to say I never do it myself, of course. As haphazard meat computers, we aren't necessarily great at maintaining a view on the big picture.

But when it's such a short work... and especially when it's "Fire and Ice," it seems like it shouldn't be that hard to examine it as a whole. Especially when Victor doesn't seem to have made it much past the first line. I mean, "Some say in ice," is literally the second line of the poem.

Date: 2017-09-06 11:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
I don't know...I feel like there's enough separate thoughts behind that poem to merit more than a discussion as a whole.

Also, I'm pretty sure Freeze didn't stop at Line 1: he said 'part', not 'line', and if you divide the poem into two parts of four, the second part fits "it was ice that held the promise" line in the script, and the actual fact of his ice core plan failing around him.

Date: 2017-09-06 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
I'm completely lost here. So Batman injected himself with the same virus he came to Victor from releasing? That keeps him warm some how?

And I'm assuming Batman locks himself and Victor in that chamber as protection from the bombs?

Date: 2017-09-06 11:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spider_man6
I love the panel of red skinned Batman smiling.


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