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"Set in a world where the Joker is cured of his insanity and homicidal tendencies, The Joker, now known as “Jack,” sets about trying to right his wrongs. First he plans to reconcile with Harley Quinn, and then he’ll try to save the city from the one person who he thinks is truly Gotham City’s greatest villain: Batman!"

Preview here.

Date: 2017-09-09 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Well... That's a thing.

Date: 2017-09-09 08:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
This is so much a Harvey Dent/Two-Face story it feels like they made a Terminator movie and cast Sly Stallone instead of Arnie.
Edited Date: 2017-09-09 08:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-09-09 09:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
"Allowing a weirdo to fight crime in his underwear -- what kind of city lets that happen?"

Metropolis, Bullock. Metropolis. You have a problem with the guy there too?

Date: 2017-09-09 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Batman's modern suit doesn't look much like underwear either, unless you have very unusual sleeping habits.

Date: 2017-09-10 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
Well, it's Bullock, so yeah, he probably does.

Date: 2017-09-09 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
That cover doesn't do a very good job of convincing me that the Joker's been cured of his insanity.

Date: 2017-09-10 12:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
So this isn't to be confused with the forthcoming "The Batman Who Laughs" about a Joker turned Batman?

Date: 2017-09-10 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
That's a "Dark Nights" tie-in. You can tell the difference because The Batman Who Laughs is clearly an out-of-work Mouth Of Sauron.

Date: 2017-09-10 03:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katefan
This looks terrible.

Date: 2017-09-10 07:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] walkingthroughforest
This looks terrific.

Sean Murphy is one of the most talented creators in the industry and having him tackling one of the first official Elseworlds in over a decade is going to be a treat.
Edited Date: 2017-09-10 07:52 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-09-11 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Look, we've seen this trick. We've seen it a lot. Neal Adams tried this trick in Batman: Odyssey, of all places. It's one thing to doubt or challenge the premise of the property you're working on, but when you just destroy it, when you rub the reader's nose in how stupid they must be even to read it, you're not really accomplishing anything. Except to drive people away from the property, including your own work in it.

Date: 2017-09-11 08:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lizard_of_aus
Well, it's aggressively deconstructing Batman being a saviour for a start. Batman was also much more aggressive than usual, what with the force feeding pills and all, so I'm worried the man might be getting stuffed up with straw, if you see what I mean.

Date: 2017-09-11 09:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lizard_of_aus
You're probably right, but I feel like the two stories you mentioned had tempering elements that made them easier to swallow. Injustice has mainstream versions appearing so it wasn't just Superman and Wonder Woman being depicted as nothing but unlikeable dickholes. Red Son, meanwhile, consistently depicts Supes as the friendly idealist he's always been, Lobotomised Superman Robots aside.

Date: 2017-09-11 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
More to the point, both of them had clear "divergence points" that made them clear AU stories. In Red Son, the rocket landed in Russia; in Injustice, the Joker wrecked Superman's life. On the first few pages of this preview, it seems like the divergence point is right in front of our eyes, with the Joker taking some medicine to make him better--
that is the basic pitch-- but when he takes it, he already seems reasonable and Batman already seems like a dickburger.

So was the divergence point earlier? Or are we in a wholly different world, like the Crime Syndicate's world? And if we are in a wholly different world, then why is everything apparently the same except for the Tim Burton-inspired last name for the Joker and the behavior of the two leads?

Date: 2017-09-11 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Based on both the content and the early publicity, this seems to be more a story of what Sean Murphy thinks Batman is "really" like (a damaged man who subtly encourages his villains to keep being villains, rather than actually resolving their stories, because he needs his own story to continue). There seem to be cosmetic changes to both to mark this as an Otherworld or whatever we're calling them now, but cosmetic is all they are.

"We've replaced the Joker with an actually reasonable-sounding human being even before the story requires him to take any antipsychotics, and Batman with a guy who would withhold them and then choke him with them. Let's see if any members of the supporting cast notice."

We'll see, I guess. I was wrong about The Flintstones, after all.


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