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starwolf_oakley ([personal profile] starwolf_oakley) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2017-09-14 12:12 am

REPOST: Len Wein shows Peter and Mary Jane's rocky start

In a tribute to the late, great Len Wein, here is a repost of some pages from AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #151 to #153 with art by Ross Andru. It takes place right after the original Spider-Clone story, when Peter and Mary Jane got more serious and started "officially" dating.

But all serious superhero relationships hit that one stumbling block: when one of you has to run out of a party to fight a super-villain.





So, how did we get to MJ raging out at Peter? It all starts in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #151 with a party... hosted by J. Jonah Jameson?



J. Jonah Jameson is throwing a party (?) for the engagement of two of his employees, Ned Leeds and Betty Brant. Peter Parker is attending the party with Mary Jane Watson, Harry Osborn and Flash Thompson. Flash would later have an affair with Betty circa 1986.

Jonah is right, electricity doesn't grow on trees. Electricity is actually mined by coal. Or moving water to power a turbine. Or something.

Also, is this the first time MJ met Jonah? And when did Flash and Harry first meet Jonah? Scans_daily should do a "When this Spider-Man supporting character met that Spider-Man supporting character for the first time" series.


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Wikipedia identifies Jonah's taste in music, if not why he has that taste in music.

Gaetano Alberto "Guy" Lombardo (June 19, 1902 – November 5, 1977) was a Canadian-American bandleader and violinist of Italian descent. He formed the Royal Canadians in 1924 with his brothers Carmen, Lebert, and Victor, and other musicians from his hometown. They billed themselves as creating "the sweetest music this side of Heaven". The Lombardos are believed to have sold between 100 and 300 million records during their lifetimes, many featuring the band's lead singer, Kenny Gardner.

Annunzio Paolo Mantovani (November 15, 1905 – March 29, 1980), known by the mononym Mantovani, was a popular conductor and light orchestra-style entertainer with a cascading strings musical signature. He is more associated with the light orchestra genre than any other entertainer.

MJ can make 1970's fashion look good. I'm guessing Harry's therapist is Dr. Barton "Bart" Hamilton.

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Jonah has an incense burner?

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Should tuna fish, even cheap party tuna fish, glow like that?

Peter Parker doesn't usually drink anything with "zing" in it.

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It's the Shocker that's doing this.
Peter webs his way up to the helicopter. Later on, in AMAZING #152...

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Jonah was good for some "screwball comedy" humor.

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Suffering succotash!

Mary Jane was at ESU? I don't recall Mary Jane actually being a college student along with Peter, Flash, Harry, etc. Anyone know the details?

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Who knew Peter Parker was a finicky eater?

And in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #153...

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Peter is talking about the Gwen Stacy clone.

This makes you wonder what Mary Jane was really thinking, with the "I know Peter is Spider-Man, but he doesn't know I know, and that's eventually going to be a VERY awkward conversation" retcon. MJ knowing the Big Secret was first revealed by Tom DeFalco, established as going all the way back to AMAZING FANTASY #15 by Gerry Conway, and backed up by Kurt Busiek. I know so much yet so little about Spider-Man history.

At this point, MJ could easily guess Ben Parker's death was why Spider-Man suddenly went from performer to crime-fighter. Even if she *didn't* know Peter blamed himself for Ben's death. (Place comment on Peter Parker's never-ending emotionally-stunting guilt complex here.)

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[personal profile] wizardru 2017-09-14 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
THIS is the Spiderman I grew up with. I'd forgotten how good it was. Spiderman had a large and complicated backup cast who had all grown and moved on from their high school days, back when Marvel characters still had forward momentum. Of course, that wasn't sustainable, but having Peter graduate high school and moving many of the characters to college was great. It's interesting to me now to realize exactly how much of an adult Peter and his cast were, here, and how much it didn't matter to me. I remember reading some of these comics back in the 1970s and it strikes me how much of Spiderman was devoted to Peter Parker's life as well as Spiderman's adventures. And that's a good thing, IMHO.
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[personal profile] liliaeth 2017-09-14 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
And they did it all without making Peter look like a loser. Without having him constantly fail at everything, or needing others to solve all his problems for him.

[personal profile] arilou_skiff 2017-09-14 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the thing with Spidey is that it really needs to be at least 50-60% Soap opera.

[personal profile] locuatico 2017-09-15 01:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if what ultimately made it unsustainable was Marvel's (and to a slightly less extent DC's) unwillingness to retire the character from the spotlight and have someone else take over... in a more permanent basis... like not even make Peter Parker disappear or uninvolved, just not spider-man anymore, and commit to it (sort of like in Spider-Girl).

[personal profile] zachbeacon 2017-09-14 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Peter, Flash, Harry, Ned ... wow, are Jonah and Robbie the only guys at this party that don't eventually get powers? I'll bet the guy serving drinks is really FACADE or something.
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[personal profile] michaelsaint 2017-09-14 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. This is the stuff I think a lot of people miss from Spider-man.
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[personal profile] kirayoshi 2017-09-14 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
This makes you wonder what Mary Jane was really thinking, with the "I know Peter is Spider-Man, but he doesn't know I know, and that's eventually going to be a VERY awkward conversation" retcon. MJ knowing the Big Secret was first revealed by Tom DeFalco, established as going all the way back to AMAZING FANTASY #15 by Gerry Conway, and backed up by Kurt Busiek. I know so much yet so little about Spider-Man history.

My head-canon is that MJ saw Peter emerge from his window as Spider-Man on the night of Ben's murder, as depicted in Conway's "Spider-Man: Parallel Lives", but wasn't entirely sure about what she saw. I figure, it's a crime scene, police cars were there with lights flashing, probably a bit of confusion on MJ's part as to what was really happening. So she thought she saw evidence that the neighbor kid her aunt was trying to set her up with for a blind date was really this Spider-Man but nothing she could confirm.

Then she finally met Peter in person (ASM #42, the classic "Face it Tiger" moment), she got to know the guy and decided that she was probably wrong about what she saw that night. Life went on, they hooked up around #150, then MJ started noticing a few things about her new boyfriend. She kept going back to that night, and this time the idea that Peter is Spider-Man wouldn't go away. This would lead to MJ turning down Peter's initial proposal, giving a line about how she was too much of a free-spirit to consider marriage (not entirely false given what we know about her character at the time). It wasn't until years later, when she told Peter she knew, and told him about her past as well, that they finally got their act together and became the couple that we all know and (with the exception of Quesada) love.
Edited 2017-09-14 17:18 (UTC)
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[personal profile] bj_l 2017-09-15 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
I recently read the epic Collection from around this time along with some other trades (MJ saying she always knew to Peter time) and its amazing just how.l much MJ ights up the pages and other characters when she is around. (Aunt May especially comes of meddlesome and tired as a character in these issues and Peter comes off poorly every time he interacts with her, too.)