Date: 2017-09-20 11:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
hmmmm interesting... an iteration where bruce is willing to kill....kinda... i don't know... some of it is interesting...

Date: 2017-09-21 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
You know... I can't help but find myself thinking "this is actually a neat idea - Batman being driven to become a Flash himself. But it could do without all the murder."

Date: 2017-09-21 05:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Yeah, murder isn't usually a Barry thing or a Bruce thing, and superspeed gives you all kinds of ways to neutralize enemies without killing them. So it kind of comes out of left field when our heroes merge into a homicidal maniac.

Date: 2017-09-21 10:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
I think it is a reflection that Bruce was already willing to do the unthinkable. He captures the Flash and is willing to rip the Speed Force from Barry despite his protests just for the chance to get that power. So having him kill after doing that isn't that big of a step.

Date: 2017-09-21 05:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Yeah this Batman's whole family is dead. Like Jason, Tim, Damian, AND Dick. Pretty sure he was a homicidal maniac before deciding murdering Barry to steal the speed force was the best course of action.

Date: 2017-09-21 12:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
The simple idea that this Batman was willing to study magic to try to obtain his goals is really interesting.

Study of magic + desperation and obsession is almost always a recipe for disaster.

Also the idea that Barry is still in their desperately trying not to lose hope and save his friend is chilling as fuck.

Date: 2017-09-21 02:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Some of this, especially the Batmobile, seems to be referring to Frank Miller's Batman stories. And showing how messed up they are.

Date: 2017-09-21 06:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
I did not expect this approach and I am loving it. For me, there is this brilliance in revealing that they aren't just dark versions of the Justice League characters, but that they really are twisted versions of Bruce Wayne who has taken the powers of various members in his obsession.

It also works as a really great character study for Bruce as this does focuses on all the ways he could have lost his way and become that monster instead of just being 'What if Bruce killed'.

Date: 2017-09-21 09:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lizard_of_aus
I see what you're saying, but I can't help but pine for similar takes on the rest of the League. For Wonder Woman, maybe- well, no, that would require more than one writer to have a concrete idea about who she is. Maybe for the other heroes outside of the Big Three.

Date: 2017-09-22 02:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
All evil-Wonder Woman takes tend to be pretty similar... they're just her warrior side jacked up to 11. Her mom may or may not be dead. That's it. They never, say, have her try and impose Truth on the world, or have her diplomacy side turn into a great manipulator who calmly has talked the world into turning to hurt and turning on others.

But yea, alt takes on how things go wrong could be interesting.

Date: 2017-09-22 06:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
To be fair, a lot of the dark Batman versions before this were the same as well by going 'So Batman kills now'. It feels like Snyder is the first one to really focus the question beyond just Batman killing and examining the places his unrestrained obsession and fury might take him.

Date: 2017-09-22 01:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Yea, true.

Date: 2017-09-21 04:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] michaelsaint
I really like the what DC is building with the Dark Universe - that it is the multiverse of worlds where the earth was destroyed, people died, or the day was lost essentially to evil and despair.

This idea that these worlds were never meant to survive and that the worlds of our multiverse were meant to survive kind of builds to the idea of what kinds of Gods create these worlds and what kinds of men live and/or die in them.

Is our Bruce an anti-hero because he lives in the Multiverse of Light? What would an anti-hero become if he knew he was fated to lose? Would he become a villain? Similarly what would that make the other heroes and villains that populate these worlds? Are the heroes the crazy ones and the villains just being realistic?

The idea of a world created with the fate to only rot and die seemingly flips hope and despair upside-down.

Date: 2017-09-22 12:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
The more Dark Knights: Metals tie-ins and stuff I see here, the less I understand what is going on over the course of its entirety.

Date: 2017-09-22 08:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Well, ever since Bruce Wayne was sent back into caveman times by Darkseid in Final Crisis, the demon Barbatos has been engaged in a millennia long plan to turn Batman into a gateway to a broken multiverse by exposing him to various mystic metals over the course of Scott Snyder's entire run. That worked, and now Barbatos has brought in his army of evil alternate Bruce Waynes. Even the female pirate Aquaman is a Bruce Wayne.

Also, Hawkman and Hawkgirl have been part of a secret conspiracy to oppose Barbatos since before Egyptian times, since it turns out they'd been reincarnating since the dawn of history but forgot. This conspiracy includes the Blackhawks, the Challengers of the Unknown, the Metal Man, Red Tornado, Ra's Al Ghul, Shazam, Mary, Queen of Blood, and some others. The Court of Owls used to be part of the Bird Conspiracy, but they split off and turned evil.

Also Plastic Man is an egg, Duke Thomas has powers and is very important somehow, the Daniel version of Dream is helping Batman, the Bird Conspiracy has a plan to shoot the Dark Multiverse with the Anti-Monitor's brain, and a mountain materialized in the middle of Gotham.


It's utterly insane, but also really fun.

Date: 2017-09-25 10:49 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Okay, that makes... some kind of sense. Thanks!

But this is one of those things that would never work outside of a comic book, isn't it?


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