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“Some really good people are working on Before Watchmen and it saddens me to see that. I won’t be supporting it in any way. I just can’t. And in all honesty — I can’t help but feel a little bit less for every creator who works on these books. Have you no decency?” -- Erik Larsen

Date: 2017-09-25 06:41 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
That is a surprisingly colorful vest.

Date: 2017-09-25 07:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
I just keep being astonished that they are running this so close to Metal.

Date: 2017-09-25 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blueprintstyles
Screw you Erik

Date: 2017-09-26 05:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ericadawn16
I stopped listening to him when he trashed Ms. Marvel for her costume.

Date: 2017-09-25 08:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reveen
Wow seriously? They're naming a comic after the metaphorical visual motif from Watchmen? They're not even being subtle about pillaging Moore's work for all it's worth.

Date: 2017-09-25 08:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Why be subtle? I suppose he's already tried to smite them with the snake god that lives in his beard, so if they survived they, they must be feeling cocky. :)

Date: 2017-09-25 09:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
Well, it's a Watchmen / Superman crossover, and the term Doomsday has resonance for both of them.

Watchmen belongs to DC, not Moore.

Date: 2017-09-25 10:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alicemacher
I'm amused that, in borrowing U.S. Army Chief Counsel Joseph N. Welch's famous rhetorical question, Erik Larsen is implying that working on a Watchmen-related project is somehow the moral equivalent of conducting a witch hunt for communists.

Bottom line: Alan Moore should've gotten a lawyer to read over the Watchmen contract. Had he done so, the attorney likely would've said no to the "as long as it remains in print" clause. But Moore didn't.

Whatever other ethically questionable things DC has done over the years, exercising its perfectly legitimate, legal rights to one of its biggest-selling single properties is not one of them. I consider Moore to be overall the greatest English-language comic writer of all time, and am grateful for all he's brought us, but I don't feel sorry for him over this matter.

Nor will I apologize for having bought and enjoyed Before Watchmen: Minutemen and Silk Spectre. It's DC's property, and if other creators take the opportunity DC gives them to make further Watchmen-based works, that is their prerogative and they do not deserve shaming for it. Not from other creators, and not from fans.
Edited Date: 2017-09-25 10:20 pm (UTC)

Re: Watchmen belongs to DC, not Moore.

Date: 2017-09-26 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
unless DC knew that Watchmen was going to be as hugely influential as it was I don't see this as being duplicitous.

Re: Watchmen belongs to DC, not Moore.

Date: 2017-09-26 10:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filthysize
Haha, what's wrong with this author from a small English town that he didn't also have the meticulous legal savvy and resources to not be taken advantage of by a New York publishing corporation's entire legal department!

Date: 2017-09-26 12:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] geoffsebesta
I thought the Darwyn Cooke stuff was exceptional.

I've never understood why Watchmen should stand outside of all continuity and be kept in a polybag forever. For one thing, it came directly out of Steve Ditko's work.

Why does Alan Moore get to do what he wants with other people's work but he, for some reason, has been removed from the Wheel of Comic Book Karma? What about Dave Gibbons and everybody else involved with the series who deserves to profit?

Watchmen is really good, but it's not supernatural.

Date: 2017-09-26 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
I'm pretty sure Gibbons' feelings on this aren't a whole lot warmer than Moore's. I mean, he was a bit more professional about it in the "these are good kids, they deserve to eat" kind of way, but I don't think he

And, y'know, whenever debates like these pop up, I never hear anyone mention how MAD Magazine ran a parody of Watchmen-the-comic (completely separate from the one they did for the movie) and neither Moore nor even his most diehard fans made a peep. Nor, as far as I know, was there any vitriol for that one issue of The Question where Vic picks up a Watchmen TPB in-story, tries to imitate Rorschach, and ultimately writes the whole thing off.

Weird as it might sound, I think a lot of the contempt stems from DC being too respectful to Moore's work, or at least going to too much trouble to appear so. Had they torn the whole thing apart and painted it as, say, a crude piece of propaganda the CIA uses to brainwash agents into hating superheroes, I'd suspect Moore himself, at the very least, wouldn't be quite so vitriolic.

To use a convoluted and probably less-clever-than-it-sounds analogy... it's insulting when someone breaks into your house, empties your fridge, and runs off, but it's even more insulting when that someone doesn't even bother running away and starts eating right there in your kitchen. What DC is doing right now hews closer to the latter.

Date: 2017-09-26 05:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sarahnewlin
I mean....Hooded Justice literally rapes Captain Metropolis......

Date: 2017-09-26 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
And yet when DC made an original event that ightly tied into a green lantern backup story that he wrote, Alan had no problem taking credit. At least DC never tried to claim Moore didn’t create Watchmen

Date: 2017-09-26 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
If he wants to believe they’re just coasting on his ideas regardless of what they’re doing, then why should anyone care?

Date: 2017-09-26 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
it sounds like Moore and Gibbons made a deal that only made sense if their comic bombed

Date: 2017-09-26 03:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] trooper924
No, that's how they handled it back then: usually a comic only got one printing run, a second one if it sold well enough, and that was it. It was entirely reasonable for Moore and Gibbons to assume that would be the case for Watchmen.

(And keep in mind, Watchmen wasn't the smash hit we make it out to be today--at the time, it actually got outsold by John Byrne's Man of Steel.)

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