Date: 2017-10-09 03:59 am (UTC)
beyondthefringe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Let's not ignore the part where Piotr immediately strips off his shirt to reveal his chiseled farmer's physique and that tight black swimsuit.

Date: 2017-10-09 05:23 am (UTC)
joetuss: Ali (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
He was being a gentleman, what's the big deal?

Date: 2017-10-09 11:35 am (UTC)
mesmiranda: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mesmiranda
I believe [personal profile] beyondthefringe (and I) are very much appreciating his gentlemanliness right now, so to speak.

Date: 2017-10-09 04:25 pm (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Not just you...

Date: 2017-10-09 05:34 am (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Impressive, but I'm too distracted trying to figure out Banshee's hair.

Date: 2017-10-09 04:36 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
That way lies madness...

Date: 2017-10-09 05:14 am (UTC)
chalicother: Chalicothere (Default)
From: [personal profile] chalicother
I don't if I should be offended by this?

Is the idea that since Ororo is african, that she must come from a culture that does not wear clothes at all, despite knowing english and probably had some level of involvement with America at that time.

Date: 2017-10-09 05:28 am (UTC)
kamino_neko: Tedd from El Goonish Shive. Drawn by Dan Shive, coloured by Kamino Neko. (Default)
From: [personal profile] kamino_neko
Especially since she grew up in and around Cairo, which was pretty westernized even in the 1960s...and even if it hadn't been, it hasn't exactly a nudity-loving culture for most of modern history. (Was the Cairo thing a later retcon? I didn't get into X-Men until the 90s...)

(And even if she was raised in a tribal culture, the concept of clothes wouldn't be so baffling to her as it's presented in these pages, she'd just have a different concept of what was appropriate.)

Date: 2017-10-09 05:35 am (UTC)
joetuss: Ali (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
Huge oversight on Marvel's part.

Date: 2017-10-09 07:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minervasolo
Especially especially since she spent her early childhood in New York - writers often forget she is African American, not Egyptian or Kenyan.

(okay, wikipedia says her mother was Kenyan, so she's probably African American and Kenyan)

Date: 2017-10-09 04:27 pm (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
She was shown in a flashback to her childhood in Cairo in X-Men #117, so if it was a retcon it was a very early one.

Date: 2017-10-09 05:33 am (UTC)
joetuss: Ali (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
I'd be offended if this was done today...not saying it was ever ok to imply Africans were a bunch of naked savages, but you kind of have to chalk this up to the (wretched) times...and the lack of diversity among the creators.

Date: 2017-10-09 05:33 am (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
ORORO?!!?

Is anything the matter?

Sorry, it's just that I haven't seen another woman naked since Wand... let me get you a robe.

(Nice detail on Jean's floating coffee cup, by the way).

Date: 2017-10-09 05:39 am (UTC)
joetuss: Ali (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
Yeah, the floating mug is a cool bit... definitely something she wouldn't be able to pull off in the 90's animated series. She always struggled, and fainted using her powers in the cartoon...drove me nuts.

Date: 2017-10-09 06:08 am (UTC)
tripodeca113: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tripodeca113
The writer didn't know much about Africa in the 70's did they?

Date: 2017-10-09 06:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Isn't the scene with Jean from additional Classic X-Men pages produced some years later?

I'm not trying to make Claremont sound worse. It's admirable how often he approached those additional scenes in a way to be consistent with the portrayal of the characters in the reprinted pages, before retcons.

As for Ororo's general weirdness, I think it's now canon that after she went south from Egypt, she was considered highly eccentric by the local people. Acting like she was some kind of weather goddess and all.

Date: 2017-10-09 04:38 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yes it is, but the story is from's the same timeframe as the Cockrum example.

Date: 2017-10-09 05:00 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
There have been a few jokes over the years about how Ororo was "clothing optional" when she first arrived at the mansion. I think Claremont himself referenced it once or twice on his post-Morrison UNCANNY run.

Date: 2017-10-10 02:50 am (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
I'm used the idea of her being clothing optional, but not the part where they blame her African roots for it. I just assumed she just was really comfortable with herself, and not being affected by cold just didnt' really give a rats ass.

Date: 2017-10-10 04:13 am (UTC)
katefan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] katefan
Hey, did anyone ever consider that Ororo was an exhibitionist and was BSing everybody with her whole "Oh, I'm not up on American customs" excuse? She's on a team fully of hunky men, perhaps that was her way of flirting. :)

Date: 2017-10-10 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Team of hunky men, Wolverine, and Jean.

It's Claremont, after all.

Date: 2017-10-11 03:35 am (UTC)
katefan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] katefan
Good point. Considering how much Claremont enjoys mind control themes perhaps Jean is messing with her head. Considering how younger Jean turned the Icemen gay she seems to have a kinky streak. ;p

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