[identity profile] volksjager.insanejournal.com posting in [community profile] scans_daily

Normally I hate the way some writters pick up their ball and leave never letting other people write a character they invented...

But almost anyone other that Steve Ditko and the results with the Creeper are just god awful...




Date: 2009-03-13 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
The Creeper solely existed to let Ditko draw swirly curly things jumping around. Of course it makes no sense without him.

Date: 2009-03-13 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr_hermes.insanejournal.com
Jack Ryder and Vic Sage... you can see where Ditko's thoughts were heading. It would have been interesting if he had stayed on the title longer to explore objectivism a bit, give the readers something to think about other than who could beat up who, and cause gray hairs in his editor.

Date: 2009-03-13 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] creeper_lady.insanejournal.com
I enjoyed the female Creeper, but at the time I was disapointed that Jack didn't have any part in this series, when I first read it I had no idea what to expect except for the fact there was a girly Creeper staring in it, so I was surprised. The art made me stick with it and in the end it turned out to be a really fascinating read with an interesting setting (plus she did look pretty kick ass).
I'm surprised it hasn't been scanned for scans daily before now you mention it (I might well have to post some pages myself sometime if I can find a scanned copy online).

Date: 2009-03-13 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluejaybirdie.insanejournal.com
Heh. At my school, "creeper" is slang for an awkward and unwanted hanger-on.* (Ex: "Oh my god he's such a creeper!") Gives this story an even more hilarious spin for me. Especially that Wanted: Creeper poster.

*logic being that that person kinda slowly creeps up on you...until you notice they're there!

Date: 2009-03-14 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysteryfan.insanejournal.com
I love how he's like, "I'd better slip in unannounced."
In an outfit made for sneaking.

I keep trying to think what celebrity he reminds me of.

Date: 2009-03-15 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bwmedia.wordpress.com (from insanejournal.com)
Sure it was, just like Robin's costume...

Date: 2009-03-14 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] menagerie.insanejournal.com
To be fair, Shade the Changing Man was amazing, despite the rather flat ending. I think Kid Eternity was his as well and Grant's Kid was also pretty damn good I felt. Grant has a good way of dealing with obscure characters though.

There was a decent Creeper series that came in the 90's. Different though, and much more twisted.

Date: 2009-03-14 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] menagerie.insanejournal.com
And I do like that, I just think the 90's Creeper was well done, if disturbing.

Date: 2009-03-14 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] creeper_lady.insanejournal.com
Yeah I liked the 90's series even if a few of the issues were a bit weak. They played up the psychological aspect well and they made Ryder a much more sympathetic guy, the trouble was they made The Creeper part of his character a bit too whacked out and bizarre considering Ditko's original was more of a ghoulish act (though with that costume you can certainly see why the idea of insanity goes hand in hand with many peoples thoughts on the character).

That said they tried to tie up the conflicting continuity that had built up over time and really tried to place Proteus more firmly in the role of arch enemy. I would have liked to see where the series could have gone after Ryder had reconciled with his other half or even if he would still view the Creeper as another half (it was suggested that he didn't actually have a second personality).
Either way it was a yet another version of the Creeper that was subsequently discarded amongst the continual mangling of the original.

Date: 2009-03-15 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
I don't think it's all that big of a leap from 'acts like he's crazy and enjoys it' to 'actually crazy'. Anyway, it's not like this happened all at once - I'm pretty sure the whole 'Creeper being crazy' thing was gradually introduced over several decades worth of stories, so you can view it as character development, if you like. Anyway, he's cool, whether crazy or not. Anyone who has the chutzpah (not sure if I'm spelling that right) to leap around Gotham wearing almost nothing except striped briefs and a throw rug on his back HAS to be cool.

Date: 2009-03-15 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
I would argue that psychotic is merely an advanced form of crazy. Nonetheless, I wouldn't call the Creeper 'psychotic' - quite possibly insane, yes, but not psychotic. The Joker is psychotic; Creeper is merely eccentric to the point of lunacy and with (to quote Jim Carrey) a 'SERIOUS impulse control problem'.

Date: 2009-03-15 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Third page, thought balloon:
"Now for some classy dialogue..."

Don't force it, Creeper.


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