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[personal profile] reveen 2017-11-20 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
There's one Punisher X-Mas special where the plot is driven by a mob husband and wife running from other criminals out to kill them and the wife's unborn child. Frank defends them from the other bad guys up to the point where the wife gives birth at which both he shoots both of them in the head. The husband dies looking at his son, the woman begs Frank to see her child but he rattles off some incident of her being evil that wasn't at all hinted at or set up earlier in the narrative and blows her away. It ends with Frank dropping the baby off at a church in a rifle round box stuffed with money.

This is such an easy scenario where you can make Frank into a complete monster with even the slightest amount off ambiguity. Maybe the couple are only mid level mobsters and don't exactly deserve to be shot. Maybe the anecdote Frank heard about the woman was ambiguous as to whether its true or not. Maybe he doesn't have money to pull out of his ass to give to the church and just dumps the kid after killing his parents. Instead it just goes for the old comfortable standby of "karma".

For the record, this was written by Jason Aaron. Not Ennis.

[personal profile] locuatico 2017-11-20 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Has there ever been a story in which Frank accidentally shoots an undercover cop or something? (and said cop was an honest one, as well?)

[personal profile] beardedjellybean 2017-11-20 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
I'd imagine there would be a comics example if you looked hard enough, although nothing prominent springs to mind.

In the film Punisher War Zone, Frank does actually end up killing an FBI (I think) undercover agent and part of the story involves him dealing with that although it's not particularly well done story-wise.
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[personal profile] cyberghostface 2017-11-20 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the closest thing was there was a storyline where Punisher thought he had killed a little girl and his response was to kill himself until he found out that a cartel had killed her instead and made it look like Frank was responsible. And when he inadvertently shot Spider-Man over in Ultimate he went berserk and wanted to be 'punished' himself.