Date: 2018-01-10 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Gorramit.

Date: 2018-01-10 01:47 am (UTC)
thanekos: Lora, crafting. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
" Well #^%& " sounds like a good reaction.

Date: 2018-01-10 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
But on the plus side, assuming they actually manage to get to the altar, and get married, it probably won't last more than five years before something causes them to break up.

[laughter that quickly turns into demented cackling]

Date: 2018-01-10 06:45 am (UTC)
katefan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] katefan
Yes, Illaynya gets shot and no one can save her, and Peter makes a deal with Mephisto to save her. The cost? His marriage with Kitty!

Why, yes, I'm still bitter over One More Day. Never forget!

Date: 2018-01-10 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
God, why are characters still stuck in relationships that ended twenty years ago?

No wonder readership has tapered off, because we've read these stories already!

Date: 2018-01-10 02:18 am (UTC)
flint_marko: Haters gonna hate. (Kitty & Piotr)
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But nobody would be complaining if Peter and MJ got back together.

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Date: 2018-01-10 02:13 am (UTC)
crabby_lioness: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
Why God why?

Date: 2018-01-10 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Boooo!

Date: 2018-01-10 02:20 am (UTC)
philippos42: zat's bunny (dung)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Who is the editor on this?

Date: 2018-01-10 02:29 am (UTC)
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Date: 2018-01-10 02:38 am (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
A+ gif use

Date: 2018-01-10 02:41 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Were Peter and Kitty that interesting together as a couple? Is it more getting back at the Evil Jim Shooter for forcing Chris Claremont to break them up?

In some cases, Kitty and Peter are going full misery porn. Which could be the point. Looking at you, Joss Whedon.

It hasn't been "Peter becomes the new Juggernaut because Kitty friend-zoned him." Yet.

Date: 2018-01-11 09:36 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
No, they really weren't.

If one ignores the age gap I guess it could be considered cute, but nothing beyond that. She was intellectually brilliant, but emotionally her actual age, and he was handsome and generically clueless.

Date: 2018-01-10 04:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Do not want.
Consider this:

Kitty Pryde was introduced in 1980.
Secret Wars was in 1984-1985. So at the very -most- they dated for several "Real time" years, when she was still anywhere from 13 1/2 to 15, and he was... older. Their relationship couldn't even be considered within the bounds of legality since Kitty was under the age of consent in most every applicable state, and Piotr was definitely over it from all appearances. So their entire relationship began and ended before she even turned 15 (in Excalibur #24, 1990).

In the meantime, she aged enough to graduate school, go to college, join SHIELD, become a bartender, date Peter Wisdom, etc etc etc etc. So she must have aged "internally" at least 10-15 years to go from the 13 1/2 year old teenager of her introduction to the adult running the school that she is now.

Meanwhile, Piotr... well, stuff happened, including death and resurrection. The two briefly rekindled their relationship after he came back from the dead in Astonishing X-Men (2004). So 20 real life years passed between the end of their relationship and the second attempt... and that didn't last since Kitty was trapped in the space bullet and so on and so on and annnnnyway another 10 years and she was -just- engaged to Peter Quill as of what, last week? (Okay, within the past few years.) Remember when Phoenix-Piotr wooed her during AvX? I do, and wish I didn't.

My point is that every time they try to resurrect this relationship, they're building off of the equivalent of a fling that lasted a few months, tops, their time. Kitty and Piotr have spent way, way more time apart than together, and it doesn't make sense anymore.

It's like trying to get Dick and Kory back together. Too much shit has happened since their heyday to make us believe that this couple is meant to be.

Date: 2018-01-10 06:19 am (UTC)
flint_marko: (Cyclops)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
Colossus was like seventeen when they first started dating, so he wasn't that much older. Not to mention he refused to have sex with her when she tried pressuring him during the Brood arc.

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Date: 2018-01-10 06:54 am (UTC)
katefan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] katefan
Whoa there. Don't go dissing my Dick/Kory marriage fantasies. ;p

Date: 2018-01-10 12:55 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
It's a good point and I'm not sure I feel this relationship needs to keep getting resurrected (especially after some writers keep putting it in the ground). That said, I also think comparing the actual length of time of those stories doesn't matter as much as the WEIGHT of them.

Claremont, Cockrum and Byrne had a run that was both ground-breaking and massively influential. I remember when X-Men was a newly resurrected title that used to be in reprints, but now was a bi-monthly title. That title went to being the single biggest thing in comics, from one of Marvel's also-rans to it's flagship. So the events in that run are held (rightly or wrongly) in higher regard than much of what came after. It's often been said that Kitty Pryde was many fans 'first girlfriend'; she was the target readers age at the time of the book and thus very popular with some readers on that account alone.

I think a more important point is that whether or not it was his original intention, it's pretty clear that later on, Claremont fully intended Kitty to be either bisexual or homosexual, particularly in the way that Saturnyne seduces her in Excalibur and her relationships with Illyana and Rachel. Alan Davis has pretty much said this was the way he was viewing it when he did the work; it's more owed to the fact that it couldn't be done in comics at that time, at least not openly.

So I'm of two minds: on the one hand, that relationship was a big deal when I was a kid reading those issues and it was a big deal how it was just thrown away in a story that wasn't even part of the main comic. BUT. It's been over thirty years. If the only justification to bring it back (as Whedon did in Astonishing) is just nostalgia? Then LET IT DIE.

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Date: 2018-01-10 10:42 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Dick and Kory as a couple would probably still actually work, since they were both adults when they started out, and they never required the retconning jumping through hoops to de-age Barbara Gordon that the Nightwing/Oracle relationship did and that somehow still keeps being hinted at, depending on the writer.

Date: 2018-01-10 08:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Kitty's expression matches my own.

Date: 2018-01-10 10:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mistersandman
I'm officially over our cultural obsession with the 80s. It's time to move on and become obsessed with the 90s now.

Date: 2018-01-10 03:55 pm (UTC)
cygnia: (uh-uh)
From: [personal profile] cygnia
For that, they've rehooked Gambit & Rogue then...

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Date: 2018-01-10 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] nightauditguy
And in related Kitty news, Tim Miller is developing a Shadowcat movie/ Though with Disney buying part of Fox, it might not happen

Date: 2018-01-10 01:50 pm (UTC)
dcbanacek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
Since no one else has said it yet...


MAZEL TOV!
Edited Date: 2018-01-10 01:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-10 04:24 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
why don't people like Kiotr?

Date: 2018-01-10 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jmacq1
It's pretty well-articulated above. Some folks think it's creepy because of the age difference when they first started dating. More folks don't like it because they feel like the characters have moved on, or just don't like one of the characters (usually Colossus because...yeah, he's been written pretty sketchily on more than a few occasions over the years).

I'll admit, I have a bit of a soft-spot for the relationship, but not to the point of "OMG THEY MUST BE TOGETHER FOREVER." I think once Scott and Jean were broken up it was clear there were no "happily ever afters" in the X-Men.

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Date: 2018-01-10 09:21 pm (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Gee. Thanks Whedon.

I feel like Hannibal when he suffers rudeness.
Edited Date: 2018-01-10 09:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-11 06:26 am (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
...Which universe had Kitty and Starlord together? Cause I could have sworn that was a thing.

Date: 2018-01-11 09:30 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
It was, but they split up when she moved back to Earth... Prior to that she was dating current era Bobby Drake for a while.... Kitty's lovelife is somewhat... "eccentric"?

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