Date: 2018-01-10 09:45 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
huh... surprisingly.... the creed says before he went to heaven he went to Hell/Purgatory...

is Judas dead?

Date: 2018-01-10 10:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
1) Why on hell wouldn't Jesus know how the rules work? Not only was He part of making the rules, most of the Christian understanding of Hell comes directly from the teachings of Jesus.

2) Why is the devil or who ever the Lord of Hell. Hell is where God punishes people. If Hell is a prison Satan isn't the warden, he is the first inmate.

3) Even if Jesus didn't know, even if Satan is the lord of Hell, isn't one of the big deals with Hell the knowledge you are there forever? Like Jesus knows he is getting out so doesn't that really cut down on the horror of Hell?

Date: 2018-01-10 11:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
now, take with a grain of salt as this is aggregated from 30 years of being a catholic (15 years of it being in Catholic school). SO it's a bit scattered.

well. Hell, dogmatically speaking, is "a place without God" or "a place devoid of God's love".

some teachings say that yes, Satan was cast out of heaven.... it's less specific that he was cast INTO hell (being cast INTO hell is what is said will happen to him in the end). So up until then, he COULD be considered the Lord of hell.

3) going with the first idea I stated, "Hell" being the absence of God" Jesus' very presence there verifies God's presence.

the Nicean and Apostles Creed states "He descended into the dead, on the third day he rose again" some translations state "he descended into hell". in some traditions this is translated from the idea "a place without the presence of god" which can be used for both Hell itself, or purgatory.

either way, the idea of Jesus descending into Hell is part of God's plan because it gives hope to the people there. his descent into and resurrection from "the dead/Hell/Purgatory" rips a hole between them, which in effect is Jesus' purpose, to show that death/Purgatory/Hell no longer have a claim humanity because through his death Jesus tore down the wall.
Edited Date: 2018-01-10 11:17 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-11 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
If neither God nor his loyal angels are in Hell acting the part of warden and jailers, presumably the Devil is the biggest, toughest inmate in the yard and what he says goes for the other prisoners even if he's never getting out himself.

Date: 2018-01-11 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
I don't think Jesus mentions Hell a lot. Nor does the Bible really. As far as I remember most of the Christian understanding of Hell is from things like the Book of Enoch and other apocryphal writings not part of the Bible. Which kind of formed a set of myths and legends that accreted around early Christianity without being part of the actual Bible.

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