Date: 2018-01-12 08:12 pm (UTC)
lucean: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lucean
The introduction of Diana's brother has been one of the more confounding approaches I've seen in a while. I'm not even touching on Diana having a brother, as that is another discussion, but the thematics and narrative tensions are just all over the place.

I mean he's been around for what, six or seven months now, and we've already had so many beats and turns with him that is just confusing. Robinson is a veteran writer, he should know that if he really wanted to bring on such a core character, it requires a very careful touch and carefully building up that central relationship. Not whatever the hell this thing is.

Date: 2018-01-12 11:11 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
This isn't the first time he's put out a book that's a thematic mess (Cry For Justice). I really wonder what directives from on high he got.

I strongly suspect that whoever is editing WW is the real problem, because going for this type of storyline (even aside from the specific nature, it's one focusing on *someone else*, other than the lead) right after Rucka's salvage job is just dumb.

Date: 2018-01-14 08:02 pm (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Yeah, from the scans of the last three issues it seems like this Jason character is who either the writer or the editor would really like to be doing a book about, and Diana is just a means to that end. Which seems particularly crazy after the Wonder Woman movie brought her to such prominence.
Edited Date: 2018-01-14 08:03 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-16 01:32 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
I blame the editor. Either it's his (no doubt of it being male) idea, or he directly approved it/chose a writer who had the idea.

Date: 2018-01-12 08:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Hummmmm...

Not exactly eager about this Jason character in and of itself, but I must say, I rather like most of this scene.

Like, they have obvious differences, big ones too, and good reasons to clash. But they are actually trying to talk things out. You know, like adults are supposed to. Jason is naive, but he does mean well, and as Diana pointed out, his previous life didn't exactly prepare him to any of this. And Diana is harsh, but she is objectively in the right, and she makes it a point to repeatedly point out that she wants him to be okay.

I'm not sold on the concept in and of itself, but the execution could be a hell of a lot worse.

Date: 2018-01-12 11:16 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
It's good that they're talking, but Diana's reaction doesn't seem the most fitting. She's not against parties and such per se, and "What were you think? I guess you weren't thinking," just strikes me as not a very Diana phrase. Like, the basic form of the scene works, but her conversational approach hits a wrong note for me, for a relatively minor thing like that she can get him to think more in the future without, well, guilting him.

Date: 2018-01-14 03:18 pm (UTC)
liliaeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liliaeth
yeah, this scene actually gets me more interested in the character, because it's a kind of dynamic you don't see often. I kinda like the idea of Diana being an older siblings, with a kid brother who is a bit naive but overall well meaning

Date: 2018-01-12 08:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
For better or worse, Jason here really reminds of Mon-el from Supergirl, He's a self-centered jerk trying to be a hero, but is really bad at it, forcing the female lead to act as his babysitter.

At least we probably won't be getting into an ill-conceived romance.

Date: 2018-01-12 08:54 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I don’t think he’s self centered. At least not Mon-El levels. Naive yes. A bit over confident and “Catholic school kid in college” for the first time. Yes

Date: 2018-01-14 03:19 pm (UTC)
liliaeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liliaeth
yeah, I don't see the self centered either. what I like about it, is the female hero, mentoring a younger male hero, while still being the main lead.

Date: 2018-01-12 09:19 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
It irritates me when experienced superheroes tell the new kids, "You aren't doing this for the right reasons." Probably because it seems to happen so often.

Also, Jason wants to connect with people. Yes, a wild party shows he's trying too hard, but at least he's trying.

Date: 2018-01-12 09:33 pm (UTC)
commodus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] commodus
She invites the guy to stay and his first impulse is to throw a rowdy party? So far I'm not liking him very much.

Date: 2018-01-12 11:18 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
I'm agreed- it's not like he's the worst character in the world and WW has seen *far* worse (in recent memory!), but it's kinda a dull thud of a plotline to focus on him, ain't it?

Date: 2018-01-13 01:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jeyl
I miss Wonder Woman when she didn't have guys like this in her life. I liked Wonder Woman when she wasn't some guy's father. I liked Wonder Woman when she was an only child.

Wonder Woman needs more women gawddangit.

Date: 2018-01-13 05:48 pm (UTC)
chalicother: Chalicothere (Default)
From: [personal profile] chalicother
I liked Wonder Woman when she was an only child.\

What's wrong with Donna?

Date: 2018-01-14 05:07 am (UTC)
jeyl: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jeyl
Nothing until DC figured out how to ruin her to.

Date: 2018-01-14 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
That does raise a question: Would Jason be more accepted if DC has restored Donna as Diana's sister and not retcon it, so that the New 52 origin nobody liked still happened, despite that being straight up impossible given the current status of Amazons?

Date: 2018-01-14 10:37 am (UTC)
sisterofbloomerjunior: Husky on blanket (Default)
From: [personal profile] sisterofbloomerjunior
I should think the hot dogs in the light fixture would also smell.

Date: 2018-01-14 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Shame it's this scene that got posted and not the (pretty awful) new origin for the Silver Swan AKA Vanessa Kapatelis.

Date: 2018-01-14 04:41 pm (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
Oh Lord. What did they do to Vanessa now?

Date: 2018-01-15 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Predictably, they went with evil fanboy origin. Basically, Nessie was a girl Wonder Woman saved and spent some time with, since she couldn't walk after what happened and this was especially devastating, since she wanted to be a ballerina (explaining where she got the "swan" idea) and sing (which you.. can't do if you're paraplegic?). She becomes obsessed with her, imagining herself as super heroine Silver Swan fighting by her side. They find an experimental miracle cure that can help her walk again through nanomachines, depending on how much she wants it and tries (yeah). Then, of course, Diana stops showing up and she grows bitter. Oh, and Julia is mentioned dying off-screen and has zero lines.

And if you thought all of that was to make Vanessa sympathetic or that Diana might redeem her, the end page shows she murdered an entire family Diana rescued, apparently including a child.

Date: 2018-01-15 12:12 am (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
Goddamnfucking it.

Please, for the love of God, tell me this wasn't Rucka's doing. I got his WW Rebirth TPB for Christmas, and while I haven't had the time to read them yet, I was looking forward to.

Date: 2018-01-15 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
What, no, he left with issue 25, current writer is James Robinson. The new origin is from this issue, which just came out. It's why I was surprised this scene was posted and not that.

Date: 2018-01-15 12:21 am (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
Oh, thank you!

Date: 2018-01-15 05:22 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: Sad Nightwing (Sad Nightwing)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Predictably, they went with evil fanboy origin.

Oh bloody hell....

Date: 2018-01-16 04:31 pm (UTC)
thenicochan: {...} from Hanna is Not a Boy's Name (Wonder Woman)
From: [personal profile] thenicochan
W-what!? They killed off Julia, just like that?

Just...why tho? Julia and Vanessa were legitimately interesting and well rounded supporting members of Diana's supporting cast back in the day. Why can't we go back to that?

Date: 2018-01-15 06:36 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (wonder woman (pulled punch))
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
Just what Diana needs: a frat boy in her book.

Ditch the brother, Zeus as daddy, and give Diana more female mentors/supporting cast, please. Steve is fine as love interest and her JLA colleagues for friendship, but Wonder Woman should always focus on women in her book as her cast. Plenty of men fill those roles in other books.

Date: 2018-01-16 04:29 pm (UTC)
thenicochan: {...} from Hanna is Not a Boy's Name (Manga!Outers)
From: [personal profile] thenicochan
I miss Julia Kapatelis :/

Date: 2018-01-16 06:11 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (aphrodite (queen 1))
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
Oh, goodness, yes!

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