Date: 2018-01-17 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Yeah I don't care that Quentin's got shitty adoptive parents. That doesn't excuse his awful personality or the terrible things he's done. His riot makes him literally responsible for the deaths of several other students, and every single time the X-men give him another chance he ends up betraying them and rejoining the Hellfire Club.

Date: 2018-01-17 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
He wasn't on Kick when he was working for Kade Kilgore and attacked the United Nations. Or when he was a psychic ghost possessing mutants on Utopia, planning to blow it up, and even smashing Martha's brain jar on the floor.

And even if he was under the influence for the original riot, he's never expressed any regret for his actions. iirc he even tried to start another riot while at the Jean Grey School but no one listened to him that time.

Date: 2018-01-17 07:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Isnt that the whole point? Like aren't "rehabilitation", "second chances", and "forgiveness" all just meaningless words unless they are offer to people who have actually done real shit?

Quentin's no angel, hell he isn't even a normie, but he has done waay less shit than say Wolverine or Daken. Maybe even less than Gambit.

Date: 2018-01-17 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Wolverine and Gambit actually want redemption though, or to at least fight because its the right thing to do. Daken's a monster and is only nice to Laura because of his own narcissistic self obsession.

Quentin doesn't. He's never expressed any regret for any of his actions. Any good he's done has been out of self interest, even fixing Jubilee is so that she'll survive to let him stay with the X-men because he's lonely

Date: 2018-01-17 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
from this scene(haven't read the book) I think he's just using that as an excuse. If he had as inflated an opinion of himself as he acted, being lonely wouldn't be reason to hang with people you hate because surely you're awesome enough to find new and better friends

Date: 2018-01-17 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
I'm not saying that he doesn't care about some of his classmates, he wouldn't want to stay at the school if he didn't care about Idie or Ben. But that doesn't mean he isn't a little psychopath with the powers of a god. And he has absolutely no self control or sympathy for the people he carelessly hurts with his powers, the school should be a safe place for the rest of the students and Quentin is a danger to them.

Date: 2018-01-17 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Why would anyone pretend that an asshole isn't an asshole?

Agree people can change (not often). And if they do change, and you see lots of evidence that they're no longer the person they once were, then it's fine to let prior bad acts go. Not because of "forgiveness," but because those bad acts are not nearly as relevant as all the good acts they've done since.

But they need to actually change! They need to own all the bad stuff they did in the past, and understand that they deserve their huge negative character assessment, and work on overcoming it. Not demand a tabula rasa in the name of a "second chance."

Haven't seen Quentin do anything like that.

Date: 2018-01-17 08:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
He straight up murdered people during RIOT AT XAVIER'S. And not even "bad humans" just regular humans.

"Straight up murder" is also why I don't like Marrow

Date: 2018-01-17 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
No-one died in the riot at Xavier's, did they? They re-gathered the gaseous student whose name I can't remember.

Date: 2018-01-17 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
We never saw Dummy again so I don't think they managed to recollect him.

And Sophie Cuckoo died trying to stop Quentin from killing more people.

Date: 2018-01-17 06:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
That was a character evolution that never quite sat right with me, Jubilee the vampire.

Date: 2018-01-17 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
it didn't make a lot of sense, but there used to be a fanfic forum for Wolverine and Jubilee stories and on the round robin board we used to do stuff to Jubes to give her a brawler, Wolverine type powerset all the time

Date: 2018-01-17 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Same here.

Hope they don't undo her kid, though.

Date: 2018-01-17 09:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
I didn't like it at first but felt it was done surprisingly well, and it drew her in closer to the Wolverine family for a time (making her a melee type too, and having her use their blood). VampJubilee and Laura were great together.

Date: 2018-01-17 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I am weirdly fond of it. It's just such a comic-book thing.

Date: 2018-01-17 06:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mizerous
Seems like they are soft rebooting the X-Men.

Date: 2018-01-17 06:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
Now she can adventure with Captain Marvel and they can be Sparkle Fist Sisters!

Date: 2018-01-17 06:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
Finally.

Date: 2018-01-17 08:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] theflames
Who's the villain here? Did Armor become a vampire too?

Date: 2018-01-17 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
Monet's brother Emplate feeds on mutants and gains the ability to use their powers, she is currently merged with him

Date: 2018-01-17 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
About time

Date: 2018-01-18 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] onsokumaru
And there goes my dream of Jubilee regaining her sparkle powers while still being a vampire.
Sigh...

Date: 2018-01-18 04:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rainspirit
Yay!!

Date: 2018-01-18 11:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Is Jubilee definitely no longer a vampire, or has she just regained her old powers? If the former, I’ll miss Vampire Jubilee.

Date: 2018-01-21 09:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minervasolo
How did I now know this was back! ...And it's already cancelled.

Date: 2018-01-29 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Whoa! Jubilee's mutant power is back! And apparently she's not a vampire now!

She better not lose the kid, though.

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