Date: 2018-01-18 06:53 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I am guessing one of them is the High Evolutionary. either way... dang it Vision.... have you learned NOTHING.... also... who WERE her engrams imprinted on?

Date: 2018-01-18 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
As far as I remember, Viv's engram was created from Vision and Virginia mixing their engrams together.

Date: 2018-01-18 07:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
soooo robo sex.

Date: 2018-01-18 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Yeah. I'm not sure what they're hinting at here.

I suppose it's possible Vision lied about where Viv's engrams came from during The Vision. But that wouldn't make any sense: his synthezoid family was an attempt to replicate his prior happiness with Wanda. So Virginia was based on Wanda's engrams, and their kids' engrams were created by mixing Vision's and Virginia's engrams. That his whole family were Replacement Goldfish is a key element of the book. Retconning that would render the book nonsensical. I would further note that Vision actually lying is a point-of-no-return in the book. Casually lying about Viv's (and presumably Vin's) origins would render that point moot.

Buuuut it's not like Marvel hasn't made nonsensical retcons before.

Date: 2018-01-19 05:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
WASP: Vision? Did you hear me? Where you did Viv's engram? Vision! Are you ignoring me?

VISION: Nadia, I know you grew up in a Russian ballerina assassin compound, and so you're not the most socially savvy person, but you just asked me how my wife and I made a baby. So yes, I'm ignoring you.

WASP: Oh, I thought maybe this was some big dramatic secret.

VISION: No. Merely rude.

Date: 2018-01-18 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Next issue Vision explains that he had found a backup drive among Virginia's possesions, which was enough to help him to build the new Viv.

Date: 2018-01-18 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
If Vision can build another Viv, then why hasn't he built another Vin?

Date: 2018-01-18 07:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
he obviously had a favorite. (though wasn't it implied he had started rebuilding something at the end of his book?)

Date: 2018-01-18 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Precisely. The book shows him rebuilding someone (not sure if Vin or Virginia), though that project presumably stalls or is unsuccessful. And he had Vin's and/or Virginia's bodies to work with! But he's able to swiftly put together a new Viv out of nothing?

Date: 2018-01-18 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico

he can't. as Nadia tries to tell him, that Viv would be different than the original one and he would just be making a copy of Viv. the same would happen with Vin. He didn't want "another" vin, he wanted Vin. we could guess the emotional distress of("seemingly) losing his only remaining child was too much and he decided in a rush that "another" Viv was better than nothing.

Edit: Missread, that is an entirely new body. other point still stands.
Edited Date: 2018-01-18 07:21 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-18 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
except how many times has the vision been remade. not ALL of them have been different.

Date: 2018-01-18 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Sssssh. stop pointing out that almost half of the entire Marvel universe has been dead at some point or it will be hard to take death seriously.

Seriously though, I don'tknow. it's the logic that the story uses... something something robot have souls?

Date: 2018-01-19 04:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
Viv's body was literally completely disintegrated, though (or at least Vision thought so). When he gets blown up, there's usually pieces of him left.

Date: 2018-01-18 07:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Ms. Marvel: It's like my twincest fanfic has come to life!

Date: 2018-01-19 07:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore

Date: 2018-01-18 09:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I thought that the 2009 ASTRO BOY movie was going to end like this. Both Astro Boy and Toby side by side.

Date: 2018-01-18 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
I keep forgetting that movie exists.......... was it any good?

Date: 2018-01-18 11:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I remember liking it, with some "Machine guns in my butt" humor.

I'm not familiar with the original Manga, though. I believe they downplay any "robot racism" and it is more about friendship. (An animated movie about the power of friendship? Unheard of!)

Date: 2018-01-18 11:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lizard_of_aus
Well, this is awkward.

Date: 2018-01-19 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
For Vision? for Viv? for Viv? or for Vision's two alive sons after they discover not only they have a sister now, but Vision cared for Viv enough to try to rebuild her while he has yet to acknowledge they exist?

(I am being snarky. I just love to point out that the Vision Family Tree is a goddamn mess)
Edited Date: 2018-01-19 01:04 am (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-19 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
What about the planet full of baby synthezoids he made with Eve on Counter-Earth?

Date: 2018-01-19 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
That sister is also their cousin, seeing as Wanda and Virginia are sisters by virtue of sharing engrams. That sister is also their niece, since Virginia is Vision's daughter by virtue of being built by him, which makes Virginia their sister as well.

A ginormous goddamn mess indeed.
Edited Date: 2018-01-19 05:54 am (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-19 07:30 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
The art on the younger characters is bothering me, especially Viv's freckles. At least I'm guessing those are freckles.


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