Date: 2018-01-19 01:23 pm (UTC)
scelestus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] scelestus
I kinda hate how Namor is drawn here, but Osbourne's ideas seem pretty solid.

Date: 2018-01-19 01:29 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
He gives me Jean Reno vibes.

Date: 2018-01-19 02:28 pm (UTC)
goattoucher: (Deadpool)
From: [personal profile] goattoucher
Throwing pointed ears and arched eyebrows on some random dude does not make him look like Namor.

And the stubble?

And the less than impressive physique?

This is the guy that makes Sue Richards think about straying?

This art is objectively awful. I appreciate that the artist used models in order to make the characters seem less comic-book perfect, but Doom is still Doom, and Emma is still Emma. Whatever model the artist got for Loki/Sif, she clearly did not have the... prodigious bosom Sif has in the comics, because the realistic face only serves to highlight how fake and stylized the cleavage looks.

And the Hood. Not only does this not look like any representation of Parker Robins seen anywhere else, this reminds me that he exists, and how they tried to make him A Thing.

That is not a pleasant memory.

Date: 2018-01-19 05:46 pm (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
To be fair, when Loki took up residence in Sif's body he changed it enough that Thor didn't recognize her. I think that went deeper than plucking her eyebrows.

Date: 2018-01-19 10:03 pm (UTC)
goattoucher: (Spidey)
From: [personal profile] goattoucher
If they want to make the design choice to make the Sif body bustier, that's their prerogative. I'm just saying that the artist used a model to make a realistic face, and then drew her cleavage as little more than a curved line.

Date: 2018-01-20 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Except Norman's ideas are piss poor, all things considered.

He did nothing to help mutants become more accepted.

He hitched his wagon onto Hood's band's of sociopaths.

He expected Doom to simply be satisfied with his own country instead of the world.

He expected Namor to be grateful for being left alone.

And he expected Loki not to screw him over just for shits and giggles.

If Norman/Bendis were smart, he would have used the Hood and his criminal empire to give his own Avengers 'wins' anytime he needed them. He would have dealt with villains who needed Norman in power, and who he could conceivably control.

Norman's basically trying to bribe the cool kids to join his club. He's all carrot and no real stick (he only has so much control over Void), and he's doing all the work.

This is like when Bendis' Hood gathered his guys, and started doing a monologue about doing things different, not always fighting heroes and focusing on the scores...only to do nothing but hound the New Avengers.

Guys like Bendis and Joe Casey all try to say their heroes are doing things different, but when the chips are down, they have no idea what's *next*

Date: 2018-01-20 06:16 pm (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Namor doesn't usually look so molesty.

Date: 2018-01-19 01:29 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I liked 'Dark Reign' a lot. My main issue was how for a status quo where Norman Osborn was running the country Spider-Man had minimal involvement.

Date: 2018-01-19 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] shadur
God /damn/ but this art was hideous.

Date: 2018-01-19 04:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
hmmmm Norman was a hard ass... insane as well...but things ran pretty well under him didn't they? and his ideas really weren't that bad.... what went wrong?

Date: 2018-01-19 04:53 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
He picked a fight with the Asgardians because he didn't like them and pushed the Sentry too far.

Date: 2018-01-19 04:58 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
ah ok. so it wasn't a tiny fuck up. it was a FUUUUUUUCK up

Date: 2018-01-19 05:43 pm (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Didn't he also have the U-Foes kill everyone attending a game at Soldier Field to get his excuse for unleashing HAMMER against Asgard?

Date: 2018-01-19 06:10 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Yeah, but it wasn't revealed to the public that he was behind it until the attack on Asgard was underway.

Date: 2018-01-19 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Err, what?

All his ideas were wrong. He relied on criminals, he murdered, stole, you name it.

Bendis liked to pretend that Norman was somehow effective, yet even he never really showed that. Norman was always out of his league

Date: 2018-01-19 05:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filthysize
I love this issue because the conversation is utterly forgettable and nothing important happens in it that helps you understand Dark Reign, but I can never forget it was published because Maleev decided that Namor should be Stanley Tucci and The Hood should be Fred Durst, and that fact is very memorable to me.

Date: 2018-01-19 05:41 pm (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Hmm, back in the day I thought Maleev was drawing Namor as Bendis himself.

I loved it when Loki cracked up over Osborn's threat and then asked him to please continue.

Date: 2018-01-19 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
So how pointless was this alliance?

Namor refused to reign in his people, who attacked New York in an Avengers issues, because that's all Atlantis has ever done.

Even after Norman helped him out, Dr. Doom gave him the middle finger and just basically left. Not even his supposed honor was worth dealing with Norman.

Emma ditched Norman pretty casually too, though at least with her it was obvious Norman couldn't keep his promises to her.

And Hood, God damn was he useless. His people got a sweet deal and still they rebelled.

And Loki was Loki.

And would someone tell Bendis that lampshading and foreshadowing are two different things? Yes, we know Norm is crazy, stop reminding us.

Date: 2018-01-19 07:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mizerous
But Norm is crazy!

Date: 2018-01-19 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Y'know... in a way the Hood's position here actually mirrors that of Norman:
He's some guy who's vastly outclassed by the least person there, throwing his weight around and trying to act like he's a top-flight badass, when actually he's just lucked into a temporary win, which will end with him getting his arse kicked six ways to Sunday, followed by the heroes not sparing a moment's thought about him ever again.


But that probably isn't the case because the characters aren't constantly saying that that's what's going to happen.

Date: 2018-01-19 10:16 pm (UTC)
goattoucher: (Brimley)
From: [personal profile] goattoucher
Remember, they were legitimately trying to make The Hood happen. His inclusion here was indicative of that, as was his involvement in Siege.

How much better would this scene have been if Wilson Fisk had been there instead of that scrub?

That, ultimately, The Hood and The Sentry would go the way of the dodo, despite the editors and writers attempts to force us to like them by showing them in our face constantly ("LOOK AT MY CREATION! ISN'T HE COOL! LOVE HIM! LOVE HIM SO I CAN BECOME WEALTHY!"), amuses me and gives me hope for the world.

The fact the the Void has recently returned, implying that Sentry will soon follow, gives me less hope.

Date: 2018-01-20 01:50 pm (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
You know Bendis didn't create the Sentry or the Hood, right?

Date: 2018-01-20 06:15 pm (UTC)
goattoucher: (ShockedMags)
From: [personal profile] goattoucher
I do.

I also know what editorial mandate is, and how much money is to be made by making a new intellectual property popular and marketable. Perhaps I am a cynic, but I somehow doubt that Bendis included the Sentry and the Hood in this story because he really liked the characters. He is a man working for a company. If he performs tasks (like making the Hood and Sentry popular by including him in his story) successfully, he will be rewarded by his employers. Such is the nature of commercial art.

Date: 2018-01-20 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] remial
I will say this, Doom was accurate in the final battle being one the likes of which we had never seen before.

not in a good way

Date: 2018-01-22 06:20 am (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
At least I found the Sentry vs. Ares fight entertaining for a few minutes...

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