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'When I wrote "V," politics were taking a serious turn for the worse over here. We'd had Margaret Thatcher in for two or three years, we'd had anti-Thatcher riots, we'd got the National Front and the right wing making serious advances. "V for Vendetta" was specifically about things like fascism and anarchy. Those words, "fascism" and "anarchy," occur nowhere in the film. It's been turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country [...] It's a thwarted and frustrated and perhaps largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values [standing up] against a state run by neo-conservatives — which is not what "V for Vendetta" was about. It was about fascism, it was about anarchy, it was about [England] [...] So perhaps it would have been better for everybody if [the Wachowskis] had done something set in America, and instead of a hero who dresses up as Guy Fawkes, they could have had him dressed as Paul Revere.'
--Alan Moore, interview, 2006

Warning for racism, homophobia and sexual assault.

From the first issue of the DC limited series edition (Sept. 1988). 9 of 28 pages. (Originally published in B&W in Warrior #3 and #4 [July & Summer 1982].)

V leads Prothero to a stage facade of Larkhill's medical block, where they kept the inmates selected for horrific scientific experiments.

Date: 2018-01-21 08:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Given that Moore's preferred version is in black and white (the colors came afterwards) I'm curious as to why DC hasn't done any 'V for Vendetta Noir' books given that they've done it with a lot of black and white versions of colored books like Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns.

Date: 2018-01-21 10:37 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
On a related note, I can't imagine the appeal of a black and white Watchmen book. John Higgins' colouring is an integral part of the book and why it works.

Date: 2018-01-21 09:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
I'm almost a little regretful you missed out on Prothero's reaction to "I was there". It's rather satisfying.

Date: 2018-01-21 10:36 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
I always loved Moore's comment regarding the film adaptation. I'm paraphrasing here, but it was something like:

"I don't understand why they changed the allegories. It was originally an allegory to Thatcher's reign. The film feels more like an allegory to the Bush administration. If they wanted to go in that direction, why not set it in America and have V wear a Paul Revere mask?"

Date: 2018-01-21 11:29 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
*long pause*

Welp, that's what I get for skimming. =p

Date: 2018-01-21 10:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drexer
I'm hopeful that you'll manage to finish posting the entire story before DC introduces V at the end of Doomsday Clock.

What? After Promethea does anyone believe they wont go there?

Date: 2018-01-22 12:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deathcrist2000
(Looks at the packaging on the boxes young Evey is packing) Lucifer? Boy, the 3WA sure has been slacking as of late. (Five people in this forum are gonna get that reference and to them, I say kudos.)

I feel like there has been some shifting in the regard for the film version of V for Vendetta, given both the rise of the Occupy Movement (though they're tactics are more akin to the graphic novel, the iconography of the streets filled with people in Guy Fawkes masks is straight from the movie) and the Wachowskis' coming out (especially given Valerie).

Date: 2018-01-22 10:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] full_metal_ox
(Five people in this forum are gonna get that reference and to them, I say kudos.)

I believe that's a Kamen Rider Kiva allusion (as well as an archaic term for friction matches.)

Date: 2018-01-23 04:14 am (UTC)
deathcrist2000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deathcrist2000
Nope, Dirty Pair reference.

Date: 2018-01-22 12:53 am (UTC)
rainspirit: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rainspirit
Completely agree with Moore's interpretation of the film. If nothing else, the way that movie turned Guy Fawkes mask into a memetic Anonymous symbol that ended up parodying itself does so much to spit on the legacy of this book.

More than anything, the sheer terror of the populace when V topples the government and abdicates from leadership is what I remember best from the comic.

Date: 2018-01-22 01:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rainspirit
The Wachowksis do pretty well on topics that they have a personal investment in. Nomi in Sense8 is one of the best characters they've had a hand in IMO. (If nothing else, for that great speech she gives Lito in Season 1.)

Date: 2018-01-22 01:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Funnily enough the use of the mask in Anonymous is the one thing that Moore approves of.

Date: 2018-01-22 01:35 am (UTC)
rainspirit: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rainspirit

I can see why it would! I imagine it's flattering to have something like that take off on its own, however indirectly, from something he created.

Date: 2018-01-22 06:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dragontail
So. Here's the thing.

The first time I read V for Vendetta, I was five years old.


To this day, my mum (who never swears) refers to it as "that f--king comic", because it represents perhaps her one and only lapse in the "parent monitoring the suitability of their children's entertainment" stakes. It was a comic that was on the shelves (long, long distribution gaps between Australia and, well, everywhere else in those days), I loved comics, she bought it for me. The rest is history - particularly my political and social conscience history.

I bring this up because, when the film came out, it had been decades since I'd last read the comic. I went and saw the film, loved it, thought it an amazingly dedicated, conscientious and loyal adaptation and wondered what all the fuss was about. Then I re-read the comic and found out.

I've always been fascinated by the idea that the film version is "perfect" when held up to the memories of a child, or the opinions of those who glance over the subject material. I don't know that I completely agree with Moore's opinion regarding the US allegory and all... I've come to think of the film as a good adaptation of not so much what the Wachowskis believe V is about as what they took from it personally - what it meant to them. Which, coincidentally, must mirror my experience given my initial reaction.

These days, I love the film and the comic equally for very different reasons. I use the film as a way of introducing people to the concepts, and then give them the comic to really understand what it's all about. I've had no complaints yet.

My daughter, who's 13, watched the film with me over the Christmas break and I'll let her read the comic in a year or so... if only because I know how her grandmother, my mother, would react if I didn't.


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