Date: 2018-01-23 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Isn't Booster form the 7000s or something? Cause his moms apartment looks very 1930s, and...you have to pay for medical care in the 74th century? Talk about anachronism.

Date: 2018-01-23 04:55 pm (UTC)
miss_abnormal: (Default)
From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
Booster's from the 25th Century and he grew up in a relatively poor family in Gotham.

Date: 2018-01-23 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
How'd he get a Legion flight ring, and Brainiacs force field belt in the 25th century?

Anyway, neither the health care system nor that room appears at all 25 century.

Date: 2018-01-23 11:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] randyripoff
The Legion did time travel frequently. It's not at all impossible that those items were left in a previous time and stuck in a museum.

Date: 2018-01-23 11:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
At some point Future Booster meets up with Brainiac 5 and they agree to have Brainy go to the 25th Century and leave those technologies there so that someone puts them in the museum and so that Booster eventually steals them--so a paradox kind of situation.

And hey, just because it's the future it doesn't mean that it's supposed to be utopic (or even half-decent). And, if it's still canon, there's apparently some global catastrophe that happens in the 23rd or 24th Century that wipes away a giant portion of known history, culture, language, society, and I'm assuming health care and architectural styles (it's the reason why the Legion of Super-Heroes doesn't know every detail of the past--they simply don't have the information anymore, just the general basics). And maybe, if the catastrophe doesn't happen in Rebirth, these 21st Century buildings could be old ones that the poor live in, while the rich live in more high-tech stuff (and sometimes the rich in our present live in old-style buildings because of the aesthetic and whatnot). There's a ton of people around the world today that live in buildings that are centuries old.
Edited Date: 2018-01-23 11:57 pm (UTC)

Oh, myyy.

Date: 2018-01-23 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] smili
All I can do is stare at Booster's shiny, shiny butt in that final panel.

Re: Oh, myyy.

Date: 2018-01-23 05:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I am ashamed to say I didn't notice that... I must be punished....

Re: Oh, myyy.

Date: 2018-01-23 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] smili
Punishment for *everyone* (who wants it:).

Date: 2018-01-23 05:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] freezer
Is it just me, or is Supes being triple-strength judgemental at the start of these scans?

Date: 2018-01-23 05:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
fair enough... but still....

Date: 2018-01-23 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
yeah, he's seen to many villains redeem themselves for something like sports fixing, and stealing items from a museum get him that upset. Especially since some of Boosters stuff he uses to get powers is left behind legion of Superheroes stuff

Date: 2018-01-23 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Was the father thing canon before this? Cause to me, this seems painfully stupid and lame. "He only did the bad thing BECAUSE HE HAD ABUSIVE DAD". Gimme a break. I don't want Booster to be reduced into one-dimensional asshat, but whats the point of giving him laughably cliched sob backstory like that when he's written as overcoming his jackass qualities anyway? It's one thing to say Flash Thompson's dad was abusive dick, it's another to say Peter Parker only let the burglar go because his accomplice held aunt May hostage.

Date: 2018-01-23 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
The problem is that you don't even need the excuse. Booster Gold is purposefully a "one-dimensional asshat" to the public eye to hide the fact he has saved the world and time itself in more than one ocassion.

You can explain this to Superman. that Booster holds the same burden as Superman but, for the sake of protecting everyone, he must forever keep what he does a secret. He may have action figures and ads, sure. but when it comes down to it, he is one of the most heroic and selfless heroes in the entire DC Universe.

Date: 2018-01-23 05:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
as much as I HATED the Killing Joke issue.... I did love how it showed how desperate he was to change SOMETHING for the good.

Date: 2018-01-23 05:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
If I remember correctly, the "original" origin (in his '80s series) had Booster's dad leave the family (because of gambling debts, I think) when Booster was a child, and was never seen again. Booster then gambled with his football games (throwing a few of his own games) to help with his mom's health. The authorities caught him, he was banned from football and ended up working as a security guard in a superhero museum of sorts. He met Skeets there (a security bot) and stole the suit (some kind of alien tech), Rip Hunter's time machine and a Legion Flight Ring. It's eventually revealed, when Booster meets up with his sister Michelle again, that their mother died of a disease and remained ashamed of Booster.

In the Geoff Johns Booster Gold series of the 2000s, the origin was slightly changed, Johns retconning Booster's dad's role. The dad, instead of vanishing presumably forever, came back into Booster's life when he was already a famous football player and convinced him to gamble with his games to help with the dad's debts with some mafia/gang. Booster, desperately wanting his father's love and acceptance, did so and was caught. His dad then kind of turns into a supervillain that steals the Supernova suit and was mind controlled by Mr. Mind and Booster defeats him and jada jada. Booster's mom still died within Johns' retcon.

(Geoff Johns is really into unnecessarily retconning characters' origins/pasts into the most tragic way possible; I'm still baffled at what he did with Jay Garrick and the first Doctor Mid-Nite, among other, more obvious ones).

In the New 52, Booster was from Canada instead of Gotham. And I think he was more of a thief instead of a guy who gambled with his own games? I don't know, I didn't pay much attention to a lot that was happening in the New 52.

Now, in Rebirth, they seem to have combined the "Booster wanted to help his mom" and "Booster's dad convinced him to gamble his games" into what is seen above, and then changing the fact that Booster met his mom before she dies and that she was saddened over Booster's criminal activities and vanishing from the timeline instead of pretty much downright disowning him.

So, yeah.
Edited Date: 2018-01-23 05:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-23 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
the most obvious reason for the tragedy retcons is that the heroes with the most sticking power in the DCU are Superman and Batman. Many of the other heroes who simply acquire powers and try to do what's right end up being interchangable. Even Diana, who's very origin states that someone else could do the job(or at least try)

Date: 2018-01-23 07:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
I'm in the mindset that it isn't necessary to give every character a tragic origin. I don't mind some of them having one, but not all of them. One of the reasons the Wonder Woman movie was praised was because she fought and protected the innocent because that was simply the right thing to do--no tragedy to justify her actions (yeah, some of the Amazons died when battling the WWI German soldiers, but it wasn't her primary motivation to going to Man's World), no vengeance, and so on. And Superman, although his tragic origin is that his home planet blew up before he could even remember it, did grow up in a loving family (his struggles with being an alien on Earth is relatively new in his history).

It's not to say that the way Diana was portrayed in the WW movie is the only way superheroes should be portrayed. Having diverse characters (in this case, of varying origins in terms of tragedy/happiness) in a fictional universe gives writers the opportunity to explore how each of these characters engage with the world around them and how they interact with each other, and the consequences that come from such. The praise for WW in the mentioned way should gives everyone the idea that maybe we've been writing characters down a specific line for far too long (and most of these people were only talking about the movies; comic books are pretty much triple of that).

Character conflict/struggle doesn't necessarily mean personal tragedy. Ironically, Geoff Johns is the one who created Hunter Zolomon/Zoom, a villain who believed that tragedy and suffering were the only ways of creating great heroes, trying to pretty much destroy Wally West's life to prove it. The storyline ended the narrative proving him wrong by giving Wally and his family a happy ending (for a while). It's strange to see Johns create such a villain, and at the same time creating tragedy for almost every character he ever wrote.

I like a lot of characters, some of which have tragic origins and some that don't. What makes me like them is not necessarily their origin (although having a well-written origin is a must, at least), but how they interact and engage with others--how they develop and change, how they behave, how they view the world, and so on. When a writer decides to give a character a tragic origin, are they doing it for mere shock value, or because there's something important they want to explore in their character?

Whether a character is interchangeable or not is not a matter of how tragic their origin is (at least to me), but a matter if the character was written interestingly in the first place.

(I actually do enjoy a lot of what Johns has written, especially the JSA, but sometimes I'm just like "Okay, Johns, that was unnecessary, maybe calm down a little.")

But, yeah, those are my two-cents, so to speak.

Date: 2018-01-29 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Well said.

Date: 2018-01-23 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Don't recall if this was a thing from the beginning but I figure Jurgens is the one guy that ought to be allowed to do whatever he wants with Booster. Well, maybe the JLI writers too.

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