Date: 2018-01-25 04:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Soooo.... Rachel is seemingly absent from a Phoenix-centric story AGAIN, because???

Actually, why does the Phoenix even WANT Jean as a host again? The first time they met, she wasn't the host, the Phoenix copied her and, still believing it was her, went Dark Phoenix and destroyed a star system.

The second time (in the Morrison run), Jean seemed to acquire the Phoenix power without the Phoenix Force being properly involved, and it still ended badly.

You think it would wise up and offer itself to Rachel again, that was a much less stressful hosting situation.

Date: 2018-01-25 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Think WaitingForTheTrade rather aptly summed up Ray's role in Phoenix-related storylines only the other week.
It's funny and kind of upsetting because it's true.

Date: 2018-01-25 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I'm gonna guess it doesn't want Rachel because it was to dormant in that partner ship. It was more like Rachel was tapping the Phoenix's power if I recall right

I think it wants Jean because it liked being her when it copied her, and it'll be some thing where by merging with the real Jean she can hold it back in a way it can't hold itself back

Date: 2018-01-25 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] xakko
so much this. Rachel being held out of AvX made the whole thing just fail for me. that and making the Phoenix into a rampaging wave of destruction. (did this start in Endsong and Warsong? I try not to remember anything about those)

I don't know for sure, but I don't see any telepaths in the collection of X-men - were they all taken out?

the person present in that group closest to Jean is Ororo. Sending OML in means Marvel's pushing Logan/Jean, and that really doesn't interest me.

Date: 2018-01-25 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Why does Marvel keep treating OML as a stand-in for 616-Logan? OML is from a different universe. That's not "his" Jean in there either.

Also, OML married and had kids. As a fellow old married, I can say that any feelings I remember having before are but shadows compared to how I feel about my family. So it's weird that he'd still be hung up on someone he never even dated from 50-some years ago.

Date: 2018-01-25 04:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Honestly? It seems like they keep expecting us to forget that OML isn't Logan.....like at all.

Its super weird, especially considering all the character growth Logan did post-Utopia.

Date: 2018-01-25 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I am hoping that the next issue opens with a reminder of the fact that OML is as much an interdimensional intruder as Scott is

Date: 2018-01-27 01:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
My best guess would be that, all other things being equal, Logan here is the one who knew Jean -- a Jean -- as this one was, while Scott and his Jean haven't reached that point yet.

To put it another way, maybe Logan knew Jean longer. Even if it wasn't THIS Jean, it was A Jean, and where they are now, that may be as good as they can get.

Date: 2018-01-25 04:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
There's nothing like seeing the Logan/Scott rivalry over Jean done by two characters who explicitly aren't them, and one's entire character is avoiding the mistakes his older counterpart made.

Date: 2018-01-25 04:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
ouch

Date: 2018-01-25 05:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
Yeah, this is beyond weird. Also it feels odd that even still the X-Men writers seem to be taking bizarre shots about how it is always Logan over Scott.

EDIT: And as a dumb person, I only know realized what Logan meant with those words to Scott, although it still doesn't fit as OML doesn't know this Jean either, as pointed above.
Edited Date: 2018-01-25 05:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-25 05:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] featheredserpent
Someone wanted to write realLogan and realScott, but after years of screwing the X-Men this is all they have available?

Date: 2018-01-26 02:29 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
"I'm not even supposed to be here today"

Date: 2018-01-26 05:13 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
YUP, yupyupyup.

Date: 2018-01-25 05:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
So are we done with "Phoenix is good, despite all the planet annihilation"? Just checking.

Date: 2018-01-25 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
they won't even say Galactus is bad because of all the planet annihilation so I doubt it

Date: 2018-01-25 05:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] featheredserpent
Parents: If you don't talk to your kids about becoming a host for vastly powerful cosmic entities, Who Will?

Date: 2018-01-25 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Parents who become hosts to cosmic entities have children who become host to cosmic entities.

Date: 2018-01-26 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
Or have alternate-reality children who become host to cosmic entities.

Date: 2018-01-26 02:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Or have alternate reality children who have a cosmic entity as their parent and are host to the SAME cosmic entity that IS their parent.

Date: 2018-01-25 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blueprintstyles
I would love to see a storyline where the phoenix prefers Scott as a host because he actually achieved a lot with what he had.

Date: 2018-01-25 07:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] informationgeek
I'm sorry but between the penciler and colorist, this is really such a flat and dull looking book. It just feels like it lacks energy and tension to it.

Date: 2018-01-26 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] nightauditguy
Going by what I read on CBR, this goes sideways.

Date: 2018-01-26 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Did they ever explain what's going on with Strong Guy? Doesn't he have his own afterlife to deal with?

Date: 2018-01-26 02:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yeah, let's send the hardened cynic with a metric shit-tonne of emotional baggage AND guilt, in to deal with the temperamental cosmic being... as opposed to someone who might be able to remind Jean of the young human girl she had been.

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