Date: 2018-01-30 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus


Date: 2018-01-31 05:16 am (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Oh, what did Major Force ever do that was so evil? >_>

Date: 2018-01-30 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I wonder if the only reason why Starfire was included in this line up was so that Superman could talk down to her next issue about Superboy.

Loeb never met a character he wouldn't tear down for his own pets (as we see every damn issue of this)

Date: 2018-01-30 08:20 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Lora, crafting. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
When you plot an issue like a HeroClix scenario.

Date: 2018-01-30 09:02 pm (UTC)
goattoucher: (Brimley)
From: [personal profile] goattoucher
I thought it had been established that Shiva was the best hand to hand fighter on DC Earth, and that she was only ever beaten through trickery or convincing her to stop fighting, as opposed to the (anticlimactic) single knockout punch here.

I had thought it went something like

Karate Kid (in a thousand years)
Black Canary
David Cain
Connor Hawke


(I refuse to list Richard Dragon, because the global master of Asian martial arts being a white guy offends my sensibilities. I would rather read a book full of Power Man and Falcon speaking "Jive" written by Stan Lee.)

Date: 2018-01-30 09:33 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Lora, crafting. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
It's easy to handwave this one- Grodd's in the driver's seat.

Date: 2018-01-31 08:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goattoucher

Date: 2018-01-31 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
I'd probably put the Emerald Empress (reboot version) above Shiva, but she's safely tucked away in the future with Val. Constantine Drakon and Sensei are both Batman-plus as well. And Cass at her best might break even with Shiva.

But yeah, Shiva vs. Batman is usually a grueling fight where Shiva has the edge, barring Bat-gadgets. It would take a lot of mind-controlled wooziness to bring Shiva down to this level.

Still not as bad as the Batman-Karate Kid fights, though!

Date: 2018-01-31 08:47 am (UTC)
goattoucher: (Cyke)
From: [personal profile] goattoucher
Upon more research, O-Sensei (a different sensei) and I-Ching.

I had to look up Drakon, because I honestly had no idea who he is.

The Emerald Empress? I thought she just wielded the Eye of Ekron...

Date: 2018-01-31 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
The Reboot (post-Zero Hour) version of the Emerald Empress was a terrorist and expert martial artist before she ever met the Eye. She "knows a thousand ways to kill a hundred sentient species with her bare hands", could paralyze a Durlan with a single nerve strike, killed a dozen guards and inmates on Takron-Galtos within three seconds while handcuffed, etc.

There are a few other super-martial artists kicking around the Legionverse, mostly connected to Karate Kid in one way or another--his dad, his sensei, his Legion successor Myg, etc. None of them are anywhere near Val's level, but relative to present-day DC Earth they're monsters.

Drakon was only in a few Green Arrow stories AFAIK, but he had no problem stomping Connor and Mia simultaneously, which I think would put him over Bats. Don't believe he ever dodged a bullet, though; just caught a ridiculous truckload of arrows.

Date: 2018-01-30 11:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Look! It's the Charge of the Jobber Brigade!

Usually, one villain is enough to give one hero a challenge. Giganta, Killer Frost, Cheetah, Captain Cold, Weather Wizard--any of them are a match for a solo hero on a given day. Brimstone required the entire Suicide Squad -and- Blockbuster died in the process.

But of course an entire army of villains, even controlled by Grodd, isn't enough to do more than slow down the World's Finest working together. Like ninjas, their effectiveness decreases in numbers.

Date: 2018-01-31 05:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
So who makes the least amount of sense being here? I say Katana. She's an Outsider, who were defined by breaking the law to help Batman do what's right, and she's not even American. Why would she ever take Lex's word over Batman's?

Date: 2018-01-31 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Black Lightning is at least close second. Hasn't he been falsely accused of crime and on the run from police at least once at that point?

Date: 2018-01-31 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] strejdaking
I love how supervillains need to be mind controlled to go after them, while superheroes and their longtime coworkers and friends, who I'm pretty sure Luthor has tried to murder at least once, just take his word for it.


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