Date: 2018-07-03 12:07 am (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
You know, I may be in the minority here, but I actually really liked Hank as the Wasp, both in terms of costume and "try and do better" life choices he was making. It seemed like a step forward for him for a time.

Date: 2018-07-03 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
I did too ... though honestly I mostly like that using his dead (-ish) wife's code name rides a fine line between trying to honor the legacy of a loved one by being a better person and being a crazy person. That's where I like Hank to exist.

Eric OTOH..... I've been following the character on and off since the Kirkman series and I still can't decide if he's terrible in a somewhat likeable way or just terrible in an entertaining way. Either way I think this series missed the mark.

Date: 2018-07-03 01:18 am (UTC)
zylly: (Dragon Man)
From: [personal profile] zylly
I once heard Hank described as a mad scientist trying to be a super-hero, and I think that works rather well.

I liked Eric's initial mini-series, but I've cooled a lot on most of the other series I read him in after. I think he started out as a terrible person (so the entertaining terrible) and moved to the "trying to do good, but it's hard because my instincts are to be terrible" kind.

Date: 2018-07-03 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
That's essentially how I see Hank. I think he starts to lose some relevance every time Stark dips to far into mad science and its why I was happy to have Banner away from the Avengers for most of the team's history.

I mostly know Eric from his solo series, the Initiative, and this mini but I can't say I ever got the "wants to be good but is just bad at it" vibe from him.

That does neatly describe another of Marvel's size-changing characters, though; Atlas. In a series that saw two career criminals fully reform, one try to back-stab her way to the top, and another go full Anti-Villain (meanwhile, I think Fixer/Techno was just in it for the LOLs), I really think Erik's arc was brilliant.

Date: 2018-07-03 02:01 am (UTC)
zylly: (Some kind of demonic duck!)
From: [personal profile] zylly
Eric's more redemptive arc really comes as one of the Secret Avengers in that series, but I think there's a nudge here and there that proves he's a decent person deep down, though your mileage may vary.

All the T-Bolts had pretty fantastic arcs, really, but yeah, Eric's turn from one of the worst (recall, he was one of the Matsers who beat Hercules nearly to death) to a fairly decent guy is quite remarkable.

Date: 2018-07-03 06:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
That's a different Eric, actually. That's Atlas, the Thunderbolt.

Eric O'Reilly is the Ant-Man who stole the suit from SHIELD and had a lackluster career as a hero before getting a heroic death in Secret Avengers and coming back as a 'screw this, being good cost me everything' cyborg (or something??) that pals around with Taskmaster.

Date: 2018-07-03 06:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
I think Black Ant is an LMD who has O'Grady's thought patterns and memories

So not technically a cyborg.

Date: 2018-07-15 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Zylly was talking about a different character in each line. Sorry, I'm the one that initially brought up the size-changing villain turned hero named Erik (who was in the Thunderbolts) in a discussion that really should have focused on the size-changing hero turned villain named Eric (who was in the Thunderbolts)

Wow, Marvel's editors really should have made Kirkman change that name.

Date: 2018-07-03 01:13 am (UTC)
freezer: (Objection!)
From: [personal profile] freezer
Yeah, but one of Marvel's bedrock rules seems to be "Hank Pym can't have nice things."

Date: 2018-07-03 01:20 am (UTC)
zylly: (Facebook Like!)
From: [personal profile] zylly
God, is it ever. How many times have they had his striking Janet put to bed, only for someone else to drag it up again?

And now his son is wearing his skin like a suit.

We can only hope one of the payoffs to the Infinity event is bringing him back. ...probably so they can punch him some more.

Date: 2018-07-03 07:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
They didn't mention it for a while. During West Coast Avengers, you would just know Hank and Jan were divorced but not why.

Usually when someone brings up Hank hitting Jan, the person bringing it up looks bad. Norman Osborn for example. Also some of the Avengers Academy kids. And the Tony Stark hologram AI during "Secret Empire."

Date: 2018-07-03 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I really like Monica. Shes a fun villain.

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