Date: 2018-07-18 02:50 am (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Obviously this is being depicted as just 'one' incident in the greater MU but it's still a disingenuous look at the mutant/Inhuman conflict.

Mutants are almost *always* pariahs and outcasts in society whereas Inhumans (since the Terrigen Mists at least) are usually viewed as big celebrities (with some exceptions) to the point that 'Cyclops' trying to dismantle the gas from killing mutants earned him comparisons to Adolf Hitler for 'preemptive genocide' and basically made the mutants so hated that Toad tried killing young Cyclops in response to prevent the current situation. Not to mention incidents where the Inhumans used certain mutants to stage 'attacks' as a way to make the mutants in general look antagonistic.

Trying to turn it around and framing it as "the mutants are the ones oppressing the Inhumans" is flat-out bullshit.

#notallinhumans #notallmutants

Date: 2018-07-18 06:35 am (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Gavla)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
These aren’t the Atillan Inhumans. They didn’t ask to be gassed. They’re not responsible for the whole M-Pox incident. Things can swing the other way very easily.

Also, I thought this was a small but vocal minority of Mutant supremacists? You wouldn’t find a lot at the X-Mansion spouting stuff like this.

Re: #notallinhumans #notallmutants

Date: 2018-07-18 11:18 am (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
In the context of the comic it’s being said this is “hate festering within the mutant community”. I.e. even another guy not affiliated with the extremist group is harassing them. The author dedicated a whole issue to Inhumans being the victims of mutant oppression.

Re: #notallinhumans #notallmutants

Date: 2018-07-18 03:40 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
the way I see this, it's very much like Muslim people after 9/11. Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Gays, all minority groups, had those very much in favor of Muslim bans, and were guilty of committing hate crimes against people they suspected of being Muslim.

hate and prejudice can fester in minority groups... they might have valid reasons to be upset, and fearful, or maybe they are just grateful to have someone else to take the heat off of them. but it happens. and it can happen in a community. there are still fears in certain Asian communities in los angeles towards African americans because of the LA Riots (where a lot of Korean and Chinese shops and stores were destroyed). it doesn't justify their prejudices mind you, but it explains how minority groups can and do have reasons... Mutants have been the marvel whipping boy for so long, they jumped at a chance to NOT be, because of the actions of a FEW that are not even the targets they are attacking.

Date: 2018-07-18 03:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowseeking
I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that until the HYDRA nonsense with manipulating the public with drugs, brainwashing, and propaganda...people were loving the Inhumans in the Marvel Universe. Like people were still running around forming angry mobs and trying to kill any mutant in sight but letting even the most obviously different Inhuman go unless they mistook them for mutant. People were even chasing the cloud and having parties in its path to see who would 'get lucky'. And the Inhumans themselves were pretty violently defending their cloud and resisting the idea of destroying or containing the cloud at all?

How is anyone expected to believe this "people hate the Inhumans just the same as mutants!" stuff?

Date: 2018-07-18 06:19 am (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Gavla)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
The general public were okay with Inhumans until all the HYDRA nonsense. I’d imagine Mutants would hate the Inhumans because their Mists were slowly making the planet inhospitable for them, as said Mists induced sterilisation and a painful death upon Mutants.

However, these Inhumans aren’t the same ones (or rather one) who unleashed the Mists in the first place, nor are they really affliated with the Atillan Inhumans, and who knows what their stance on Terrigen enveloping the world was: they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when the Mists rolled in, but because they’re Inhuman, they get blamed regardless.
Edited (Plus, Medusa and Beast were trying to figure out a way to keep both the Mists and Mutantkind, but when this became impossible, Medusa destroyed them without hesitation.) Date: 2018-07-18 06:23 am (UTC)

Date: 2018-07-18 06:55 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
If an oil company waffles about for months after accidentally spilling millions of tonnes of oil into the ocean, you don't give them credit for waiting until they've exhausted every option for saving their oil before finally cleaning up their own mess, long after countless animals have already gotten sick or died and the ecosystem has been horribly affected.

Medusa waited until the last possible second, she did not give any indication to anyone that she would be willing to sacrifice the Terrigen for the sake of mutantkind. She threatened mutants in the Civil War 2 tie in, she and Black Bolt blasted the last two mutants to try to alter the cloud out of the sky, and they executed "Cyclops" on video for orchestrating it.

Date: 2018-07-18 01:26 pm (UTC)
shadowseeking: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowseeking
It makes plenty of sense for mutants to hate the Inhumans. Especially considering that there was also a good deal of mutantphobia from Inhumans pre-IvX. I recall at least one issue of the X-men going to rescue an Inhuman and being met with the usual "stay away, mutant freak!" stuff. Not to mention the fact that the general Inhuman opinion we've been shown has been they all considered the T-cloud more important than all the mutants suffering and dying and would refuse to support any plans to contain or destroy it. But Marvel here seems to want us to think that the Inhumans have been getting oppressed by the general population from the very start and now there's widespread hate and oppression from mutants too. It doesn't make sense in or out of universe.

And while Beast was researching a 'cure' to the M-Pox thing, Medusa wasn't doing much at all to help. She was making things worse for the most part. With hiring fake 'terrorist mutants' to make the Inhumans look sympathetic and seeming to prevent anyone else from trying to deal with the T-cloud.

Date: 2018-07-18 03:45 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Not to mention the fact that the general Inhuman opinion we've been shown has been they all considered the T-cloud more important than all the mutants suffering and dying and would refuse to support any plans to contain or destroy it.

this is only half true... the Inhuman royal family... legacy inhumans? yes... but NuHumans? Moon Girl, Ms. Marvel, Quake, really most of the NuHumans who have no real ties to Attilan (like these girls) didn't care about the cloud and some were actively working to destroy it. so yes, the inhuman royal family were trying to save the cloud even at the cost of the Mutants. but ALL inhumans... no....

Date: 2018-07-19 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Since none of the Non-Attilan aligned NuHumans had access to the technology, or experience of the Attilan crew, I'd have to say it felt a lot like "almost entirely true", rather than "only half true".

The ones with the power, experience and ability to help, weren't.

Date: 2018-07-19 05:04 pm (UTC)
shadowseeking: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowseeking
Ms. Marvel, Quake, and Moon Girl were all for defending the cloud. They only switched sides after attacking the X-men and getting the information from Forge. Even if they switched sides like that, until that point they didn't seem that concerned with the whole 'floating death cloud' thing. And even then they were the tiny bunch out of the big majority of Inhumans that were pro-cloud.

The only Inhuman I can remember saying anything against the cloud was Synapse.

Date: 2018-07-18 11:32 am (UTC)
spider_man6: (Default)
From: [personal profile] spider_man6
I think people just confused mutants and humans as the same thing, so both groups face bigotry for being different.

Date: 2018-07-18 07:52 am (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Conflict ball aside, Mutant Vs. Nuhuman bigotry is just silly. Generally, bigotry requires being able to tell two groups apart, and that's not actually possible here. How the hell is Scales McFascist supposed to look at a woman with purple hair and tell she got it from an alien cloud and not a cosmic firebird?

Date: 2018-07-19 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
It really doesen't.

Date: 2018-07-19 09:33 pm (UTC)
full_metal_ox: (Default)
From: [personal profile] full_metal_ox
How the hell is Scales McFascist supposed to look at a woman with purple hair and tell she got it from an alien cloud and not a cosmic firebird?

Or, for that matter, from Manic Panic? Is hair dye unknown among Marvel Muggles? (And boy, aren't these magic isolated one-size-fits all isolated supergenes narratively convenient--otherwise they might start coming for the folks with things like eidetic memory, or the (real-life) double-barreled musculature gene.)

Date: 2018-07-18 12:39 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
How on Earth can you tell someone is an Inhuman rather than a mutant just by looking at them? especially when they don't appear to be physically altered in any way?

Is "Inhuman spotting" his power or something, because otherwise, that's just..." What?"

Date: 2018-07-18 03:46 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I THINK they over heard them talking?

Date: 2018-07-18 12:47 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Anyone else notice how the Inhumans are depicted as being conventionally attractive over the mutants who are depicted as being either grotesque or monstrous in appearance?

Date: 2018-07-18 01:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wizardru
Yeah, that was something I noticed and was a little uncomfortable at the realization of it. I mean, in comics 50% of mutants are superheroically attractive and 50% are very obviously not baseline humans. Inhumans originally were about the same for those exposed to the mists.

This whole 'make the Inhumans and mutants fight' seems such an odd stance to take. There's an interesting topic to explore in here somewhere, but this seems like a really uneven way to move after it.

Date: 2018-07-18 01:41 pm (UTC)
flint_marko: (Cyclops was right)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
The writer said the Inhumans were a stand-in for trans people and the mutants were a stand-in for terfs.

Date: 2018-07-18 03:47 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
while I can see that, this is also waaaaaay more nuanced than this book is doing it....

Date: 2018-07-18 07:58 pm (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
The thing about analogies is that they have to work on their own. You can't just do a copy-and-replace and expect it to make sense.

Date: 2018-07-18 09:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I'd seen bits of this floating around and while I'm glad to see someone at Marvel bringing identity politics back to mutant stories, for which Magdalene Visaggio seems like a great choice, this seems a little off base.

I mean, I like the idea of showing some weird mutant/Inhuman strife, especially from ones who aren't superheroes, but casting the mutants in the role of the reactionaries just doesn't work for me. It feels like shoehorning the characters into a strawman position that doesn't really make sense for them.

Also, as someone else pointed out, it's definitely a hell of a thing to have all of the bad guys be visibly mutated while the good guys aren't. I mean, does that idea of passing come up in the narrative? Because it seems pertinent.

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