Date: 2018-09-23 05:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
For those wondering this Mysterio only showed up once in an arc by PAD where he was portrayed as being a bit of a misfit. It ended with him getting stabbed by the Other and teleporting away; he has never been seen since.

Date: 2018-09-23 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
You mean just giving a pre-existing characters/concept powers doesn't automatically make them better?

Lies! Heresy!

Date: 2018-09-23 10:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zechs80
That's not necessarily true. The "Other" mentions to Peter later on in the Friendly Neighborhood arc that focuses on her that anyone stabbed by her pointy weapons die from them due to poison (more on that later).

In the Gauntlet arc, one of Beck's two henchmen in that one was named Blum (the other was named Beckhart). This kind of hints at the possibility that both of his successors might have been in on this and it was all one big con (given Kelly, Spencer, and PAD brought this supernatural subplot of Beck back from PAD's FNS story, this is now false).

In the recent "clone" saga, there was a Mysterio running around the clone villains. Given Beck was among the living at the time period. It's highly possible this could have been Blum (or it could have been Beckhart given the current Jack O'Lantern said he killed all his predecessors, but Beckhart wasn't a confirmed kill).

Date: 2018-09-23 11:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
He hasn’t made any official appearances at least. And with Beck back I doubt anyone cares about this guy.

Date: 2018-09-23 06:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] repto
The "Arach-Knight." Not a nickname that really caught on.

Date: 2018-09-23 07:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Well, not then but since they made Peter do the fusion dance with Moon Knight...

Date: 2018-09-23 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
I wouldn't call this story a success, but it at least fails interestingly. I get what's being attempted with Francis, but the fact that he is an admitted rapist himself kind of undercuts the "poor misunderstood victim, if only Felicia could've reached him" message.

If one reads Felicia's flashback in isolation, it might actually read well. Her rape is neither minimized nor sensationalized here, and her story is sprinkled with a few moments of surprising emotional insight. One might question the wisdom of retconning it into her history at this point, but there are less plausible reasons to do what she does than to recapture a feeling of power.

The biggest problem, though, is that Smith and the Dodsons are trying to drag in this relative taste and understatement after introducing Felicia with the male-gaziest shower scene imaginable, ogling her constantly on all six covers, and just being ever so NINETIES about her (about 5-10 years after those trends peaked). The start of her confession in the previous issue practically had a "dun dun DUNNN" sound effect. Maybe there's a creative team with enough subtlety to drop some real talk about sexual assault and some sex-positive cheesecake into the same story arc without their cannibalizing each other, but "subtlety" is not really either Smith's or the Dodsons' specialty.

(Boy, Mark Millar's Marvel Knights Spider-Man, Trouble, and this one... the Dodsons got all the dodgy Spidey stories for a while there, didn't they?)

Date: 2018-09-23 07:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] roxas832
The rape backstory with Francis could have been handled better if his brother had made him sexually assault a woman. But no, he's doing it because he wants to.

Date: 2018-09-23 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] roxas832
Pointless rape plots aside, I do like the concept of there being a market around villain identifies. The Axis Hobgoblin mini series where Kingsley was Edna Mode was super fun and I wish Marvel would let Nick Spencer play around with that ala Superior Foes of Spider-Man.

Date: 2018-09-23 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
I actualy dislike that idea.

The smaller, non mastermind villains get too little characterization as is. Making their IDs interchangeable makes that bad situation worse.

I think Hobgoblin would be better served by mentoring villains, matching their skills to certain types of jobs instead of giving out costumes willy nilly.

Date: 2018-09-24 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
The interesting thing to me is that the this series solved a problem that didn't exist and created a new one instead.

Kevin Smith kills Quentin Beck in Daredevil.

Byrne and Mackie bring Mysterio without explanation in their Spider-Man reboot.

Tom DeFalco reveals that Daniel Berkhart is the "new" Mysterio again in Spider-Man: The Mysterio Manifesto.

Kevin Smith, clearing not having read any of the comics, decides he should create a new Mysterio to replace the one he killed in this mini.

Now there are two Mysterios running around and neither one is the one most people recognize.

Date: 2018-09-24 02:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Well Beck is back and the other two haven't officially appeared since PAD's Mysterio story.

That being said Kevin Smith shouldn't have gotten the amount of leeway he did at Marvel. Because he's Kevin Smith everyone acted like he was the best thing since sliced bread. Looking back on it, the only thing people really remember from his Daredevil storyline was Bullseye killing Karen and Mysterio killing himself. No one remembers anything else from the story.

And yet he's still remembered as being a 'visionary' and was given enough clout that he was able to derail Bendis's run for a Bullseye miniseries that he only put out one issue for.
Edited Date: 2018-09-24 02:31 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-09-24 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
He also torpedoed Foggy's relationships with his mother and Liz Allan and just generally did what he could to suck the fun out of the series.

(Sidenote: Karl Kesel is a hugely underrated DD writer)

Also I vaguely remember something about a fake devil baby that may or may not have been resolved in a mini written by someone else (Bendis?)

I feel the real slap to other writers is DD Target. "Hey, nobody use Bullseye until I finish my story".
Edited Date: 2018-09-24 03:22 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-09-24 03:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
"He also torpedoed Foggy's relationships with his mother and Liz Allan and just generally did what he could to suck the fun out of the series."

I *think* that might have been part of Marvel's orders to reset everything back to status quo (I.E. the firm going back to 'Nelson and Murdock' again) and removing what they deemed to be excess baggage.

"Also I vaguely remember something about a fake devil baby that may or may not have been resolved in a mini written by someone else (Bendis?)"

The devil baby was basically just a normal baby that Mysterio tricked Matt into thinking it was supernatural. Bendis mentioned that it was the reincarnation of Stick but that was unrelated to what Smith did.

"Did the second issue ever come out?"

Nope! He later apologized and said he should have let Bendis do what he wanted but by then the damage was done. What irks me is whenever I read DD #49 Matt goes "I went and searched for you and found out about your backstory" which is apparently alluding to what would happened in Smith's miniseries.

Date: 2018-09-26 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
The Foggy frame-up does reek of editorial interference.

I'm a bit surprised they haven't brought the real Stick back. I was expecting it when they made the movie and when the Netflix show started.

Date: 2018-09-24 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
As for the Mysterios, I think Berkhart the stuntman had potential to be a distinctly different character than Beck the SFX guy but apparently one of the recent Venom runs revealed that he and his old partner, the OTHER Beck*, were killed off panel at some point. Hopefully that won't stick.

*Killing off Maguire Beck is a HUGE mistake. Spider-Man doesn't have enough good female villains.

Klum and Mysterion (did we ever find out who that was?) are probably best left forgotten.

Date: 2018-09-24 07:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Dammit Hush, go back to Gotham! There's no place for you here!

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