Date: 2019-02-03 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mazway_75
Yeah still not sold on this. The mother being Kree and still annoyed at this "Carol was always destined" thing rather than be random and rising up a heroine on her own. Just not feeling it for a huge retcon.

But the Illuminating Comics reactions to it are glorious to read (the take on the reports of screenings saying "the cat steals the movie" is priceless).

Date: 2019-02-03 05:58 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Admittedly, "Carol was rescued by the Kree and they decided to both give her powers and alter her memory because shut up" is a different direction.

"The Kree altered Carol's memory" might be a reference to both "Ms. Marvel was seperate personality from Carol Danvers at first" and "Carol lost her memories to Rogue for a while."

Date: 2019-02-03 01:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Definitely not. I've railed on this before, but "Because Destiny Says So" is a terrible reason for why someone's a hero.

Date: 2019-02-03 06:08 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
As "Then Let Me Be Evil" is a terrible reason why someone is a villain. Even with a weird "I'll be the Best Villain Ever!"

Remember that tropes are tools.

Date: 2019-02-04 02:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I disagree, I think Then Let Me Be Evil at least has roots in real life and has lead to some of literature's most compelling villains. Similarly, Because Destiny Said So can be pretty good if done well. I don't think this new origin works as a retcon because the book seems to treat her powers being "hers, no one else's" as some noble thing and somehow superior than getting them through random chance (when, if anything, that gives her less agency than before; I.E., she doesn't have an interest in space because she has an interest in space, she has an interest in space because she's half-alien).

Re: Remember that tropes are tools.

Date: 2019-02-05 12:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
I don't mind "Then Let Me Be Evil", because it's still about making a choice. A hero who couldn't handle the pressure and turned to crime to pay their sick father's medical bills could be a good antagonist for Spider-Man.

And no, the source of her powers doesn't matter. It's what Carol chooses to do with them that makes her a hero.
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Exactly! So why are her powers being "hers, no one else's" treated like that's any better than just getting them from happenstance? Heck, by that logic they're still not really "her" powers, they're her mother's.

Date: 2019-02-03 01:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
For fuck's sake, Mom, if you could fly faster than that spear, you could have stopped it without impaling yourself. Or, you could have just let Carol dodge it on her own. She could see it coming, and she's been doing this for a while now.

Oh well. The faster Kree Mom is buried, the faster this retcon will be buried.

Date: 2019-02-03 03:45 am (UTC)
informationgeek: (djpon3)
From: [personal profile] informationgeek
Hey, we have this new origin and HUGE change to the dynamic between Carol and her mother! What should we do?

Kill the mom off!


Date: 2019-02-03 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
But without a dead mother, how could Carol possibly have the motivation to be a TRUE HERO?

Date: 2019-02-03 06:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cygnia
Skeevy mind control & rape if the movies then bring in Marcus?

Date: 2019-02-04 04:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
Plus, think of all the drama that would ensue when she battles a hero whose mother had the same name!

Date: 2019-02-04 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
"Oh, great. Another awkward conversation about how our moms are both called Martha..."

Date: 2019-02-03 05:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Wait so the Kree trained Mari-Ell to be an elite warrior specifically so that they could send her to Earth and breed with a human?

So that her resulting offspring would what?
Get Carol's original powerset? Be a Kree Manchurian candidate?

That's just skeevy. How is this supposed to be an improvement?

Date: 2019-02-03 06:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
The 1980s changed Thor's origin, revealing his mother was Gaea, aka Mother Earth, in the "guise" of Jord. It was written by Mark Greenwald and Ralph Macchio (no, not that one).

"Hey, sexy mama. Wanna give birth to a powerful warrior to protect Earth and Asgard?" Skeevy, but at least it was about protecting Earth and Asgard.

Date: 2019-02-03 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Jord was the mother earth goddess. The name is still used to mean planet Earth.

Date: 2019-02-03 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cricharddavies
Actually, you know, even more than the whole situation with her mother, what annoys me about this is that, of all the people she knows with whom she could commiserate, she chooses TONY?

Date: 2019-02-03 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
So, once again, the Kree invade Earth and start killing people... Seriously, the space empires in the Marvel Universe need to stop starting shit.

Date: 2019-02-03 03:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
The only reason that this wasn't the worst thing Marvel put out in 2018 is because of Jeff Lemire's The Sentry series.

Date: 2019-02-04 02:34 am (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Speaking of Kree, if only Death of the Inhumans #1 and 5 had been as good as #2-4...

Date: 2019-02-03 07:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
Wow, Transonic's all growed up.

And is this Pam'a related at all to the Pama of 'the Priests of Pama'?
Edited Date: 2019-02-03 07:34 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-02-03 07:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seisachtheia
I have no real reaction or investment in any part of this...except the image of going to the moon and walking around it in bunny slippers.

That's the detail. Bunny slippers on the moon, and I am 100% here for that

Date: 2019-02-04 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
So, how is Marvel going to retcon this?

Date: 2019-02-05 04:31 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
so why aren't any of her siblings half kree, or rather, could they get "activated" like Carol?


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