Date: 2019-02-08 12:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
"Whatever happened to doing more to help mutants?!"

"Hey man, it's not my fault that editorial is keeping you guys in story limbo until Disney figures out what they want the X-Franchise to be and Marvel is limiting crossovers until then-"

"Fuck you, Rogers."

Date: 2019-02-08 03:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
"The Avengers don't do enough to help mutants" never struck me as a charge with a lot of weight to it. They've had mutant representation since the first time they changed line-ups - and in-universe, having Wanda and Pietro fighting side-by-side with the Living Legend of World War II would be a huge civil rights moment.

Plus saving the planet from being invaded, destroyed, or eaten benefits everyone, human or mutant.

Plus most of them died fighting Xavier's evil side alongside the X-Men, which you'd think would earn them some good will.

Plus they're not a civil rights organization.


Date: 2019-02-08 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Honestly the superhuman community in general has a pretty awful track record when it comes to taking care of their own. The X-Men are just the only ones claiming they're trying .. all evidence to the contrary.

Date: 2019-02-08 09:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Except the Avengers have never protested against the US Government using Sentinels, and a number of them supported the Superhuman Registration Act which was categorically biased against mutants.

And they didn't even put in an appearance on Genosha which, given the scale of devastation caused by giant marauding robots, should have been right up their alley.

Date: 2019-02-08 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
In all fairness, do we really think the Avengers just stood by while Genosha was wiped out?

It either happened too fast or they were saving the world somewhere else, as is the norm when the world is threatened in any book that's not Avengers

Date: 2019-02-08 02:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
An entire country is wiped out by giant robots of unknown source but American design. In terms of "Ongoing Global Calamity that might get worse" that's pretty high up the list of things the Avengers should be making a priority.

I understand the external story reasons for doing so, but as an internal narrative it's a mess, and Emma rightly called out Tony for wanting her help when she's had very little experience of the same sort of assistance in return.

Date: 2019-02-08 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
well remember, Ultron was able to wipe out an entire country and modify their corpses into cyborgs he could control in the time it took them to respond to an invasion once

Date: 2019-02-08 07:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Indeed, I nearly quoted that example (but couldn't remember the name of the country offhand), and you'd think that would make them even MORE aware that it was something that should be looked into. As it stands I don't think the Avengers visited post destruction Genosha at all.

Date: 2019-02-08 08:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
It goes both ways. The X-Men never visited Slorernia. They didn't do anything when Kang launched a full-scale invasion of Earth. They weren't part of Operation: Galactic Storm, despite being the Earth experts on the Shi'ar. They sat out Civil War despite the SRA clearly being of interest to them.

I'm pretty sure the Avengers would have shown up at Genosha if they'd been asked. I'm also pretty sure the X-Men have, in the past, asked the Avengers to stay out of their business.

Date: 2019-02-09 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
actually the X-men continued to fight at least, I think one of the post conquest scenes had Wolverine attacking some bad guys. But there was nothing to suggest they had done anything like coordinate with the Avengers

Date: 2019-02-08 02:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
They did speak out against the original Mutant Registration Act.

Date: 2019-02-08 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
I was going to give this new arc a chance, I really was. Dani, Shan, Rahne and Illyana all on the team sounds great (even if the other half is all white dudes).

But starting it off by killing Blindfold and Loa? And Blindfold commits suicide because she literally didn't see any future for herself that wasn't awful? Nope. I'm out
Edited Date: 2019-02-08 12:36 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-02-08 10:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Kill two female characters, one a WOC and bring back one of the whitest white dudes who ever lived?

Yeah, that sounds about the norm.

Date: 2019-02-08 01:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wizardru
I'm sorry...what? Blindfold....WHAT?

Wow, walking away, now. I wanted Cyclops back, but if this is how they're going to use him...never mind.

Date: 2019-02-08 02:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
They killed Blindfold? I guess that's why Legion got those stomping boots and was last seen on the shore of the primordial sea. And I'm not blaming him any.

Date: 2019-02-08 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mindsweeper
I was done from the description and I feel very validated in my decision right now. Scott bashing, younger gen meaningless deaths and extinction plot? Wrong direction for me.

Date: 2019-02-08 06:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
I really am fucking pissed about how ONCE AGAIN a comic book takes perfectly good supporting characters and trashes them. I mean POSSIBLY I could accept that Blindfold, a precog, could be so consumed by hopelessness that she'd kill herself, even if it's a waste of a good character (who was treated SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS IN LEGACY)...

but to fucking kill off Loa in a single panel without explanation or anything?

She deserved far better than that. Yeah, she was a minor character who hasn't been used in years, but she was interesting, and readers liked her, and to turn up again in a pool of blood without any actual story to it, that just sucks. It's a disgrace and disservice to the character. (Hell, that random Morlock that looks like Jean Grey with an alien in her mouth--Bliss? gets more of a story than Loa by sheer virtue of being alive and getting a speaking line...)

And of course Gabe (Velocidad) gets effectively ruined as well with the revelation that by using his powers he's aged decades in weeks. Another character who gets dragged out of obscurity for the sake of misery.

This just further cements my belief that Rosenberg doesn't really get how to tell a story where characters aren't acting off-model, like assholes, or wallowing in misery.

Parts of this issue were good (Logan and Scott reuniting to kick the shit out of their enemies) but that was offset by the other stuff, which just angers me. I hope that however they resolve Age of X-Man, it allows for at least some fixing of this...

Date: 2019-02-08 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
What bothers me the most about Blindfold's suicide is that as readers we know in a meta-sense that Cyclops and Logan are going to gather their X-Men and make things slightly better for mutants, and then the rest of the X-Men are going to come back from Age of X-Man and everything will go back to status quo.

So what lesson are we supposed to take away from Ruth's decision? That sometimes you can't actually stick it out for when things eventually get better and all you can do is kill yourself? That asking for help (and protection from Scott and Logan) would be pointless?
That her death drove home how desperate the mutant situation was, inspiring Logan and Scott into working together. So sometimes suicide really is the answer, and your death will make things better for everyone else?
These implications are straight up ideation of suicidal tendencies.

I can't even with what happened to Loa. It just goes to show how much contempt the current X-Office has for the New X-Men and their fans.

Date: 2019-02-09 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I disagree, I'm actually quite sure the X-men's reformation following her death will be used to suggest "You should never give up, because no matter how bad it seems things will get better"

Date: 2019-02-09 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
But she's the girl who can literally see the future. She didn't see anything but horrible things for her personally. And even though she made contact with a bunch of people who wanted to help her (Cyclops, Wolverine, Madrox and the Morlocks) she didn't seem to think any of them could.

So how is this supposed to suggest that you should never give up when she gave up? When she actually tells us as a prescient narrator that even if she had tried she would have failed and been even more miserable and tortured later.

Even if the message of the story as a whole is supposed to be "things will get better later, you just gotta stick to it" how does that apply to Blindfold? Cyclops was depressed throughout this issue, acting like he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory until Logan showed up to help him. Because the message that sends to me is that white men are the only ones allowed to get help for their suicide ideation

If they resurrect her later in this story, then what was the point of her killing herself (with a gratuitous shot of her half naked in her bath tub as she did it) if not to drive Scott and Logan together, in which case her death really did make things better for everyone else, even if it was just a temporary death.

Date: 2019-02-09 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
she also talks about changing things, she wants to warn the X-men of something before they die (and has to be told by another character they already had) so despite years of visions she believes they can be changed.

Date: 2019-02-08 12:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jetblack927
Why does that reunion scene remind me of that Simpsons joke...when homer joined the navy, and the Commanding Officer addressed the crew:

"I'm a man of few words...Any questions?"

Date: 2019-02-08 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] super_fly
I doubt the cameraman has much say in the editing of the footage, Scott. He can't promise anything.

Date: 2019-02-08 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
He has just come back to life only to discover all his friends and loved ones are dead and that Emma made everyone think he was some sort of terrorist. Plus he is drawn by Salvador Larroca.
It has been kind of a crap day, so I don't think the minutia of who does the editing is on the top of his priority list right now.

Date: 2019-02-08 03:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Does this take place before or after Annual #1? Because I think that ended with Cyclops realising the damage he caused and came to the same epiphany Chamber here is chewing him out on, but this issue has him upset when others (I.E. Chamber) point that out to him.

Date: 2019-02-08 03:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
What else do you say to a guy that shoots concentrated murder out of his eyes?

Date: 2019-02-08 09:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
"Good to see you old friend"?

Date: 2019-02-08 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
"I broke your television."

Date: 2019-02-08 10:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn

"I made you a convertible."

Date: 2019-02-08 03:53 am (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
So, a bit off-topic, but what's going to happen to Shogo with Jubilee gone?

Date: 2019-02-08 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Back into the foster care system until Jubilee comes back and kidnaps him again?

Date: 2019-02-08 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Gone? What did they do to her THIS TIME?

Date: 2019-02-08 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Jubilee was among the army of X-Men who were fighting the Nate Grey/Legion hybrid and his Four Horsemen of Salvation.

Everyone at that final battle disappeared and is assumed dead, which is why mutant hatred is at an all time high. Apparently the X-Men were like a nuclear deterrent, humanity was afraid of them and now that they're gone humans can openly lynch mutants in the streets. That's why Jono is living in the Morlock Tunnels with what mutants he could find.

The missing X-Men are actually in Nate's pocket reality Age of X-Man

Date: 2019-02-08 08:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Everyone at that final battle disappeared and is assumed dead, which is why mutant hatred is at an all time high. Apparently the X-Men were like a nuclear deterrent, humanity was afraid of them and now that they're gone humans can openly lynch mutants in the streets.

Marvel civilians have always been ungrateful jerks, but being sociopaths who only refrained from murder out of fear is a new take. When everyone thought the X-Men died saving the world from The Adversary, the public mourned them as heroes. As you would expect.

Fuck it, I'm calling it. Xavier was wrong, Marvel humans can't co-exist with mutants. Get Nate some therapy for his relationship issues, and bring on the pocket universe.

Date: 2019-02-08 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
To be fair I did leave out the fact that Nate was sending giant animals and his Horsemen around the world to terrorize humanity, and that his ear with Legion caused a ton of damage, including the destruction of multiple sacred and religious sites of worship

So apparently that's on all mutants even though dozens of X-Men all apparently died trying to stop him

Date: 2019-02-09 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] rzerox21xx
the thing that gets to me I admit is that this sorta undoes the work Tom Taylor did on X-men red with it ending on a hopeful note for mutants.

Date: 2019-02-08 07:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
I groaned so hard when someone again accused Scott of being the worst because he dared to destroy a major cultural artifact mainly because it was roaming around the world and killing mutants in an excruciating manner. I mean how were those Inhumans supposed to get superpowers then, Scott? Didn't think about that during all those times you were being selfish about not wanting the mutants to get extinct, did you?

On a positive side, I do like that Scott still maintains that unapologetic edge instead of making him some regretful softie.

Date: 2019-02-08 07:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
This doesn't feel like Larrocca's best art

Date: 2019-02-08 05:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
Um, what? Of all the Avengers to talk with this to Cyclops, surely Captain America would be a lot more sympathetic, given the ALMOST EXACT SAME SITUATION that he found himself in following Secret Empire. Is the changed public perception of Captain HYDRA even brought up?

Date: 2019-02-08 08:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mizerous
*Sighs* We need the new creative team after this to just stop these doomsday every month. It isn't even really every X Men story. Being self aware only makes this grim dark stuff worse.

Date: 2019-02-09 01:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
This run might just be the first step in the formalization of main X-books being " the creative team's fanfic of their takeaways from Claremont-written stories ".


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