Date: 2019-02-13 11:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
Okay, I admit, Jor-El not as an evil guy but an old man suffering an existential crisis as he futilely fights back against his own obsolescence is the first time I've found him interesting since they resurrected him.

Date: 2019-02-13 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Largely agreed.

Also, "He's the greatest!... But he's THE GREATEST" is goddamn poetry.

Not sure I know the word "lortgin," though.

Date: 2019-02-13 12:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
I've read the full issue and I disagree.

Date: 2019-02-13 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
seriously? Jor-El being there is impossible? Clark knows several people with scientifically explainable tools that could go and grab him. They don't because it's assumed everyone died with Krypton and that has to die for Superman to exist.

But theoretically time travelers could pull a Michelle Carter with every single member of the population

Date: 2019-02-13 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
I think the point is that, From his point of view, his understanding of science and how the universe works... it should be impossible. Time travel should be impossible and something like Dr Manhattan should be impossible.

Now, in-universe... they are not impossible, and we have clear, empirical evidence of that. But for a scientist who believed it to not be possible, it means re-evaluating A LOT of things that are false by the mere fact, say, Time Travel is a thing.
For Jor-El, it is basically an identity crisis, because he suddenly feels like he doesn't know squat.

Date: 2019-02-13 07:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Dr. Manhattan time travel is... complicated in that it's very simplistic...

For doctor manhattan, things that happen in the time line were always already going to happen. Any "changes" made, were always already going to be made. No one went back in time to kill hitler, because no one went back in time to kill hitler...

think of it as harry potter. Harry and Hermione go back in time to save Sirius and buckbeak only to find out, they had already gone back in time to save Sirius and buckbeak.

I does that make sense"? I can be more detailed....

Date: 2019-02-13 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
numerous stories use the predestination paradox, which is what you're describing.

Date: 2019-02-13 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
It makes sense. though I was reffering that to Jor-El, a scientist who has spent all his life "catagolizing, ordering and trying to make sense of the universe", the revelation of something "impossible" (which is "the laws of the universe I follow say it should not have happened, yet it did") means his understanding of the universe was wrong to a degree.

Some scientists would take it as an eciting new discovery, but to jor-El, it causes an identity crisis because he feels that made all of his work meaningless.

Date: 2019-02-13 02:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cygnia
"It's longer than you think, Dad!"

Date: 2019-02-13 03:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
I got that reference.

Date: 2019-02-13 07:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] informationgeek
Ha! Nice Stephen King reference.

Date: 2019-02-13 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beeyo
Calling it now: that's a Jon from the future, and lil' Jon is still out there with Grandpa.

Date: 2019-02-13 07:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] informationgeek
That would be fine with me... and it reminds me of a recent movie so that I'm really fine with that.

Date: 2019-02-14 09:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
That does make sense. Bendis likes to put his story elements back where he found them, so bringing in Future Trunks Jon means we get the older version without losing the happy pint-sized version.

Date: 2019-02-16 12:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zylly
I really, really, really, really hope so.

Date: 2019-02-16 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beeyo
Besides the SuperSons miniseries, how many other books is Jon featured in? Any mentions of him by Damian in Teen Titans?

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